1973 50hp lark Compression Question

R.Johnson

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Re: 1973 50hp lark Compression Question

Don;t even consider 100-l. There is no way that engine held pressure for an hour. I have a leak-down tester, and use it often, in fact every time I test an engine Even on the very best engine, when you fill the cylinder with air, and shut the inlet valve off,it will will drop to zero pressure in probably less then 15 seconds. If he said it held pressure for an hour, ask him to do again while you watch. I would like to watch! The dyno is a high pressure oil pump. The pump itself has different adapters to fit the prop shaft of what ever motor you are working on. The pump has rubber coated braces that hold against the cavitation plate to lock it in place. It also has a high capacity tank of oil to pump into, to keep the oil cool. There is a valve to adjust the pressure up, and down. You start the engine, and adjust the pressure to load the engine. You run the engine at WOT, and see how much pressure the pump will build without going over the engine maximun rated rpm. There is a chart that comes with this tester that tell's what the ideal pressure should be. This tool is not considered a true dyno, as it will not read true horse power. Needless to say, the noise is horrendous when you have such as a v-6 at full throttle out of the water.
 

FillupD

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Re: 1973 50hp lark Compression Question

I didn't take the reed box all the way out. I'll have to get an intake gasket first. I did look at each one with a flash light though and they looked OK. I pushed on each one and they snapped back so no broken or bent up ones.
I adjusted the floats on the carbs off level a little bit so the needle valve closes fuel supply off a tiny bit sooner. ( I had some advice that this actually worked on an evinrude motor.) Its at least a test,(I really have doubts), but I'm grabbing at anything right now. I'm going out fishing for a while and try it out. I'll get the head off later, (after I find out the float adjustment didn't work) and let you know what it looks like in there.
The idle timing was off and I got it set back up to 4?. I got it to idle in driveway around 875-900 at least.
 

FillupD

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Re: 1973 50hp lark Compression Question/Revisited

Re: 1973 50hp lark Compression Question/Revisited

I have a 50 hp lark and it runs pretty much OK when idling around and going slow but won't get to WOT. This has been going on for around a year now and I just haven't worked on it much, mostly trolling motor and no wake lakes.
I was tinkering with it on the lake and checking the carbs and I get a fine mist coming out of the opening on the top carb. Seems like it just floods out and won't rev up all the way.
I'm going to pull the head off and take a look finally. I just thought that the carb relly shouldn't be doing that. They are both squeky clean. Any thoughts?
 

FillupD

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Re: 1973 50hp lark Compression Question

I did some reading and it looks like it is not totally uncommon for one of the carbs to have a mist of fuel coming out the front while running. Sounds weird but it was on an old iboats post.
 

FillupD

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Re: 1973 50hp lark Compression Question

OK, I removed the head and besides the top of the pistons having a little carbon on them it looks pretty good. No leak passages or signs of scoring on walls.
It seems it turns over pretty easy with the flywheel and the pistons move around (side to side a bit.)
Would this motor have good cranking compression and loose it when under load or does it work that way. Maybe I'm thinking if there was not proper compression under load the carbs would load up because the fuel was not being used sufficiently?
Thanks for any suggestions.
 

EN2

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Re: 1973 50hp lark Compression Question

I was wondering if you check the butterflies for being wide open? Also for not going past center.
 

FillupD

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Re: 1973 50hp lark Compression Question

Yes, When wide open, the buttefly plates are open and centered level.
I have been reading the manual and I can't really figure out how much movement there is allowed after the piston and rings are installed. I can put my fingers on the top and push the piston back and forth, even to the point where it kind of clonks. Seems like it shouldn't be loose but the rings look like they are scraping the walls.
I have not removed the side to look at the piston skirt and will do that as soon as I get a new gasket.
Maybe it is just getting old and tired and I'm beating my head against a wall for nothing.
 

EN2

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Re: 1973 50hp lark Compression Question

I may be wrong, but on that engine, when you remove the exhaust cover all you will be able to see is the inside of the exhaust chamber.
 

FillupD

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Re: 1973 50hp lark Compression Question

Ok Thanks, I'll make sure I read about that little more before I do more stuff I don't have to do.
 

FillupD

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Re: 1973 50hp lark Compression Question

Looks like the pistons are rattling around way too much and the motor will be around 2 grand to rebuild so the marina said to look for another motor. Thanks for everyones help. I guess I can put it back together and use it for no wake lakes for awhile longer.
 

papasage

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Re: 1973 50hp lark Compression Question

i have had 2 of those and never had that probablem with them . with that compression i don`t think it needs rebuilding . just something that is being missed . one i had woldn`t idle wit the hood on it . that was finaley discovered that exaust was coming up frome the foot into the hood .
some reason it is loosing power at a higher RPM from what i have read .i have a 1974 i am trying to put togather now.
 

FillupD

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Re: 1973 50hp lark Compression Question

It runs OK low RPM. With the head off the pistons move back and forth in the cylinders but the rings still wipe. The walls are not showing any hash marks, no ring ridge and really smooth. I was looking at parts thinking to do it myself but they are adding up real fast if you have to replace two pistons that are worn.
 

EN2

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Re: 1973 50hp lark Compression Question

Dont give up on it. For what it is worth, check the upper main bearing seal.
 
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