1973, 85 hp Ev. power upgrade?

Brian Hall

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Im restoring my grandads boat and would like to boost the horses on this engine if possible. I have heard that you can use syn. oil and get a few rpms but I would like to jack it up to 100hp if possible.<br /><br />What would I need to replace to do this? Is it possible?<br /><br />Thanks,<br />Brian
 

roscoe

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Re: 1973, 85 hp Ev. power upgrade?

Not likely to happen without spending a fortune.<br /><br />Best to make sure it is actually running properly, and is performing at its best.
 

LubeDude

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Re: 1973, 85 hp Ev. power upgrade?

You may gain some improvement in performance with synthetics both in the 2 cycle and the lower unit oil, but the gains are minimal at best. I would do this anyway. Those old 85s were great engines, I beat the Hel* out of one for two years at WOT all the time at 6,000 RPM on a 15' Ranger Bass boat, never an ounce of trouble but one coil! I was using synthetics! Nothing Ive ever heard howls like those old V4s at full trim at 6,000 RPM! <br /><br />I have heard, but am not certain that you can change the carbs to 115 carbs and gain on this motor, but not intirely sure, so wait for more replys!
 

walleyehed

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Re: 1973, 85 hp Ev. power upgrade?

Post 1985 115hp power head with bubble back, but I don't think the shift-shaft hooks up the same.....<br />The same vintage (mid-70's) 135hp power head would be 100-115hp at the prop.<br />Dhadley may have some input if he reads this...He's the V4 GURU here, and knows how to make one perform, but I think it would be cost prohibitive(sp?)......
 

bubbakat

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Re: 1973, 85 hp Ev. power upgrade?

TXduckster I have a 1975 85 h/p and a 1975 135 h/p. I ran both engines on the same boat and I swapped back to the 85 h/p because it would give me more at lower end torque. I have a buddy that has a 115 and he can't stay with me on water.<br /><br /> That old 85 will impress you if it is dialed in right .
 

Dhadley

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Re: 1973, 85 hp Ev. power upgrade?

Tell us more about the set up on the 85. Perhaps there is something to be gained there. <br /><br />The 1973 V4's are a bit of an oddball because the block, crank, rods and pistons are exclusive to that year. That doesnt mean you cant do anything, its just something to be aware of. <br /><br />The bore on your motor is 3 3/8" and you can bore it to the 3 1/2" of the 115/135 and use those pistons. You will need to change heads at that point. Some porting is required too.<br /><br />However (theres always a "however"), as noted from the other guys, performance may not be justified. You are still running the same stroke and gear ratio. I would concentrate on set up and spend money on a prop rather than the machine work for now.<br /><br />Good luck!
 

ledgefinder

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Re: 1973, 85 hp Ev. power upgrade?

The 85 is basically a de-tuned 115, for marketing reasons. By the time they stopped making them, they were even the same displacement as the 115-140hp (1979-80 were 3.5" bores). The easiest thing would be to bolt on a pair of 1 5/16 venturi carbs from a 115-135. GUESSING, I'd figure you might pick up 50% of the difference with just the carbs. The other major item that's different is the porting. That's probably not worth going after, considering it'd take a complete teardown. The carb swap is easy.<br /><br />I've run both (pre-1986 85hps and 115s) on the same test prop, and can assure you the 115 does have more top-end ponies. The 85 turned 4800, sounding good. The 115s turned 5350 and 5410, and everybody else stepped away from the boat ramp (sounded quite a bit hairer). On the boat, the difference is not as noticeable.<br /><br />As DHadley would say, before you sink too much work into the powerhead, you might play with the setup some. You want the motor as high as it can go on the transom, without losing water pressure or cavitating on turns. This itself can speed a boat up a lot. Then prop it so that you're at 5500-5800 with you alone in the boat. If you do a lot of skiing (or party with a boatload a lot), you might prop it even higher. A clean (no dings) prop can make a big difference, if your present one is all bent up.<br /><br />Be sure your motor's healthy before pushing any of this very hard (good compression on all 4; clean, fresh gas & carbs; WOT timing set correctly; decarbed). Once done, I'd find a set of big carbs ($15), & wouldn't mess with an old motor like that otherwise.
 

Brian Hall

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Re: 1973, 85 hp Ev. power upgrade?

Wow. thanks for the input!<br /><br />Here is more detail. The boat is a 17ft Lone Star. Looks like a ski boat but grandad bought it for bay fishing back in 73. Has a built in live well in the back corner. It planes up shallow but has a heavy V in front. Very flat in back. After 30 years in the salt the original motor bit the dust and grandma gave it to me to fix. I just happened to find the exact same motor a guy had just bought at an estate sale and bought it from him for 300. It fires up fine, although I did have to search the forums here to find out why it wouldn't start without spraying the carbs when it was cold (choke sylinoid wasn't shutting all the way).<br /><br />Ran it out on the lake last weekend and while I don't know how fast it is going or what the rpms are yet (need to wait till payday)I would like to get as much out of it as possible. I was considering doing a carb rebuild on it anyway since I read that on a motor that old worn parts could kill it anyway. I have thee old aluminum props for it and the one on the one I bought is stainless. I have the original service manual for it also. I did check the compression and I all of them were within one or two pounds at 120.<br /><br />Still need to get new control cables, put a whale tail on it (which brand is the best?) and possibly a manual jack plate (or would a tnt be better?). It had a trim but the electric motor is frozen.Also need new seats, move the gas tank and battery and rewire everything.
 
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