1973 Johnson 115 - Intermitten power loss

warstoryz

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Hello everyone. I am new at this posting stuff, so please bear with me. I have a 1973 Johnson 115 and recently it goes from running fast and smooth on plane, then a sudden loss of power cuts the rpms in half. Sometimes it happens early in the day, in fact that is mostly the time frame, but sometimes I will be coming back in and all of a sudden I go from zoom zoom to putt putt. Sometimes the engine seems to cough, not backfire, but a single cough or loss of power. It may do that several times and then be fine or it may not do it at all and just lose power. I don't even know where to start. The book I bought by Clymer on E/J's like mine is pretty much useless when it comes to actually giving you any ideas what could be the cause of the problems I have encountered. Maybe I am just missing something.
Have a good gas mix. Tried new Gas, cleaned carbs, carbs were rebuilt less than 40 hours ago. Engine idles rough, but it is from 1973, so that isn't a surprise. When it is running right, it flies over the water, but when the power goes down, its like a sick duck. help please. J
 

HighTrim

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Re: 1973 Johnson 115 - Intermitten power loss

Sounds like one of your coils or sometimes known as powerpacks is arcing to the block. Check it at night by taking the cowl off and looking for an arc. I don't know for sure if your 73 has them, others on here will know for sure. When the wire gets bad or the coil cracks it arcs to the block so you are basically running on one cylinder.Is your motor getting fuel? If you were fuel starved you would be able to squeeze the primer bulb and it would take off again. Pull one of your plug wires and see if it starts. If it doesn't then I would replace that coil. If it does start then pull the other one and see what happens. The weak coil might only break down at higher rpms too.
Might also wanna read this,

(Compression & Spark Test)
(J. Reeves)

1st - Regardless of what problem one might encounter, always start with the basic troubleshooting procedure. Check the compression which should be in the range of 100+ psi (somewhat less on the smaller hp engines) and even on all cylinders.

2nd - With the spark plugs removed, rig up some type of spark tester whereas you can set a gap to be jumped. On magneto ignition systems.... and also the Battery Capacitance Ignition system OMC engines from 1968 to 1972, set the gap to 1/4". On the solid state OMC ignition systems from 1973 to the present, set the gap to 7/16". The spark should jump the gap with a strong blue lightning like flame..... a real strong blue snap!

If there was no spark, on engines from 1973 up, disconnect the RED main electrical plug at the engine. Remove the s/plugs. crank the engine via the starter solenoid (jumper bat term to small 3/8" term nut, not the ground nut) and observe spark. If spark is now okay as stated above, the usual cause is a shorted ignition switch.

If the above checks out as it should, and the engine dies out when throttle is applied or won't idle, it is usually due to one or both of two things. The carburetors are fouled, in which case the cure would be to remove, clean, and rebuild them..... or the timer base under the flywheel is sticking which would result in a retarded spark. If the engine will not fire/start at all even though you have the proper spark and compression, it's usually due to fouled carburetors.

To check the timer base for sticking (Engine Not Running), spin the prop to align the shifter dog with forward gear and while doing so, put the engine into forward gear. Now, while watching the timer base, slowly apply throttle clear up to full throttle. The timer base should move smoothly all the way up against the black rubber cap that is atached to the end of the full advance spark setting screw. If the timer base sticks, find out why and correct that problem.

Usually any sticking of the timer base is caused by one of the four retaining clamps being slightly too tight. Putting a very thin washer under the clamp cures that problem. Some boaters use a thin screwdriver to bend the clamp upwards slightly but I prefer the thin washer. The sticking can also be caused by having a faulty stator start to melt down, resulting in a sticky substance dripping down on the timer base nylon retaining ring.
 

warstoryz

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Re: 1973 Johnson 115 - Intermitten power loss

Hi HT, Thanks for the information. I really appreciate it. I did try running the engine at night, but could not see any kind of arc from the coils. I am pretty sure the problem only occurs when the engine is in the water and in gear under load. It starts up and idles fine. I was out on the bay this morning and could barely get the boat moving past a crawl for the first ten minutes, then it just took off like a rocket for about two hundred yards, before dying back down to what seemed about 1/4 power. A hundred yards later it took off at full speed again and was fine the rest of the day. I am stumped by this one. Any other ideas? Anyone? Thank you, john
 

Ryintruder

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Re: 1973 Johnson 115 - Intermitten power loss

Did you ever figure out what the problem was? I just bought a 1973 115 and I am having the same problem. It runs great at idle, but cuts out when I run it at higher RPMs. If anyone out there knows what causes this, please post here and let me know what it is??? Thanks
 
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Lone Duck

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Re: 1973 Johnson 115 - Intermitten power loss

Hi HT, Thanks for the information. I really appreciate it. I did try running the engine at night, but could not see any kind of arc from the coils. I am pretty sure the problem only occurs when the engine is in the water and in gear under load. It starts up and idles fine. I was out on the bay this morning and could barely get the boat moving past a crawl for the first ten minutes, then it just took off like a rocket for about two hundred yards, before dying back down to what seemed about 1/4 power. A hundred yards later it took off at full speed again and was fine the rest of the day. I am stumped by this one. Any other ideas? Anyone? Thank you, john
Check tank vent, anti siphon valve, and fuel pump. Make sure all filters and hose clamps are tight.
 

krogie

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Re: 1973 Johnson 115 - Intermitten power loss

i would agree with trying the basics first , fuel lines , fuel venting , no blockages, but it sounds like a firing problem to me. my 1976 85 hp did the same thing , i rebuilt the carbs and replaced all fuel related items and that did noting. come to find out 2 of the coils had a crack in them and they were arcing to the mounting base (going to ground intermitantly) i would go from wot to 1/4 throttle in just a few seconds , but like you said " when she runs , she runs great"
 

ezeke

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Re: 1973 Johnson 115 - Intermitten power loss

I agree with krogie on the ignition coils. They tend to break down when heated up. When bad, they can destroy the powerpack as well, and if you replace the powerpack without replacing the ignition coils first, it will just repeat the process.

Look for any signs of deterioration on the coils: swelling, discoloring, melted potting or cracks. Also, disconnect them and clean the contact surface and grounding straps to shiny metal.

The mounting rack that holds the coils is poorly grounded on the 1973 engine. Use grounding straps to make a better connection to the engine block, preferrably via the cylinder head bolts.

One other place to look is under the cover of the powerpack: If any condensation forms there, the powerpack will malfunction. When the motor was stored tilted, rainwater would run in directly onto the powerpack through the handle on the upper cowl. It is worth the time to take the cover off and make sure it is sealed and dry.
 
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