1973 V4 water ingestion ?

Indymike

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1973 115 V4 crossflow

On the water yesterday running like a champ @ 5000 rpm....then rapid fire knocking and the motor died. Probably had about 35 minutes of running time (on and off) including a 5 mile ski prior to failure. Tried to restart and motor was seized. Pulled plugs and # 3 electrode had been struck by piston. After the motor cooled it would restart with substantial knocking.I shut it back down immediately.

Tore into it this morning and found the #3 rod to crank bearing disintegrated and evidence of major heat discoloration.

I know what happened but not why.

When I pulled the plugs all four were dry. Not oily like they should be.
Cylinder walls are not damaged with the exception being #3 slight scuff...aparently from the bearing failure.
Exhaust housing dry soot, not oily. Same thing behind exhaust cover.
The pistons and exhaust route all look steam cleaned. I believe water was ingested causing lube failure causing bearing failure.
Head gaskets showed no sign of failure.

First start of the day was normal, about 4 seconds of cranking while choked it fired right up and after about 20 seconds of fast idle (2000 rpm) it idled perfect at 600 rpm.
Water was flowing out the tell tale like normal and water pressure was normal.
Motor has about 160 hours since rebuild in 2004.


Two days ago I replaced the lower unit oil and had the lower unit off for a clean up.


Man this thing ran sweet. I'm sick thinking I fowled up.

Is it possible for water to get forced back thru the motor via the exhaust housing due to a bad Exhaust housing to gearcase seal?

A few pictures of todays teardown...Photos
 

HighTrim

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Re: 1973 V4 water ingestion

Re: 1973 V4 water ingestion

Dhadley is definately the man you want to look at your pics.
 

moterboat

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Re: 1973 V4 water ingestion

Re: 1973 V4 water ingestion

Just A Thought,seems Like If You Pump Water Into The Engine It Would Have Hydrolocked,the One CYL. Side Of The Head Looks Clean,no Soot Or Carbon,the Other Side Has Carbon??? Seems If You Missed The Water Tube When You Put The Lower Unit Back On It,and Caused Overheating It Would Show On The Cylinder Walls, It May Be Not Enough Oil In The Mix,SURE LOOKS LIKE THE CYLINDER GOT WASHED OUT,BUT I DON'T THINK ITS FROM WATER.. Dehadly Will Be The One To Look At The Pic's..:).:)
 

moterboat

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Re: 1973 V4 water ingestion

Re: 1973 V4 water ingestion

LOOKED AT YOUR PIC'S AGAIN,LOOKS LIKE THE ONE BOTTOM CYLINDER WAS NOT GETTING FUEL.. ITS TOTALLY DRY,TWO CARBS,AND THE OTHER 3 CYLINDERS ARE NOT AFFECTED.. ITS POSSIBLE IT GOT WASHED OUT SOMEHOW.. iM GOING TO KEEP AN EYE ON THIS ONE.. SEE WHAT DEHADLY SAYS..TOTALY WEIRD...
 

Indymike

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Re: 1973 V4 water ingestion

Re: 1973 V4 water ingestion

Thanks for looking guys.

moterboat, water flow was good and no overtemp alarm.

I rethought my steps while fueling and it was not a mix issue. That was my first thought too.
 

iwombat

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Re: 1973 V4 water ingestion

Re: 1973 V4 water ingestion

Just a guess, but it sure looks to me like you had an exhaust or head gasket leak on #3. The only thing I can think of that would cause only #3 to be that far off is a bad reed, or a leak. Was your plug extra clean on #3?
 

commonarcwelder

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Re: 1973 V4 water ingestion

Re: 1973 V4 water ingestion

personally i feel like you had a lean condition on #3. overheated that cylinder causing head gasket failure. thats my take on it without seeing #3 piston or cylinder. can you get us a pic. of piston and cylinder? i'm going with IWOMBAT; it does look like the head gasket blew out on #3 lower.
 
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