1974 Vanguard TRII Restoration Thread - Beginning

sphelps

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Re: 1974 Vanguard TRII Restoration Thread - Beginning

Nice looking pup ! The lab in my avitar is Smokey . Unfortunately he went to dog heaven many years ago . Best friend I ever had ..
Btw , the slipper comment is kind of a running joke started when pmc got caught wearing some on a video he made ..
 

Raist11

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Okay, I'm not going to attempt multiple quotes this early in the morning..

GT1M, thanks for that. I had looked it over and couldn't find mine last night. Tried again, seemed to find it but they show a nut holding it on just right of where those square pin/bolts are. But as you can see in the second closeup pic there is no nut or anything to the right of that "pin". I'll have to keep looking through them later today.

RickRyder, Thanks for the reply. I thought perhaps, I'll have to give it a shot, it's weird though because it doesn't seem to even come apart at that point. It looks like one solid piece. But if that's the case why have that square piece there.

sphelps, I'm sorry to hear that. I know how hard that can be. Ours is Otis, he's almost 3 now and has been exactly as you'd expect a lab to be.
 

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Re: 1974 Vanguard TRII Restoration Thread - Beginning

The little square is the head of the bolt... pretty sure it comes apart.....very strange that you don't have a bolt at the eye end of the cable..... I can't see well in your photo....
 

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Re: 1974 Vanguard TRII Restoration Thread - Beginning

Lets leave this here:
Gelcoat does not stick to Epoxy.

Okay, this confuzzled me but let's see if I can get this right. Gelcoat won't stick to epoxy.. but most people use epoxy? BUT, have I read that people will put a wax finish (of some sort) over the epoxy so that the gelcoat will stick?

The part I bolded ^^^ is correct, as WOG posted, the rest isn't

Most don't use epoxy they use polyester resin.

Wax isn't applied over epoxy, and again gelcoat won't stick to epoxy

KCKracker is sort of struggling to understand what needs to be done to HIS boat.


Typically epoxy cures to a dull finish that requires sanding before proceeding w/ another coat of epoxy or a different finish (but not gelcoat). The dull finish is 'caused' by a wax component that is already present IN the epoxy when you mix it. It is referred to as 'blush' or blushing epoxy. Some epoxy is non-blushing, but it is sold as non-blushing.'

Google air inhibited epoxy curing

The wax component in typical epoxy IS the air inhibiting agent and allows the epoxy to fully cure.

Poly resin can have wax added, most HD/WallyWorld/Auto part stores have wax added resin, but it isn't labeled that way. From a fiberglass supplier if it has wax added it would be labeled as wax added poly resin, so you can request it that way, or not. Typically though, poly resin sold at FG stores won't have wax already added, BUT it can be purchased & added separately. Gelcoat is similar, it can probably be bought w/ wax already mixed in, or w/out. It would be labeled as wax added or non-waxed.

If you use wax added poly resin or gelcoat, they too must be sanded between applications. Non-waxed does not require sanding prep between applications unless the resin or gel has fully cured.

If you NEED quite a bit of waxed resin for the final coats, you could buy it w/ wax. But if you buy non-waxed resin, you can use it as is to prevent having to sand between applications. Then when you are getting ready to do the final coat, add wax to it.

If you are using gelcoat, you will likely be doing multiple applications to build the gel's mil thickness sufficiently to allow you to sand out the orange peel. So you'll only want to use wax in the final coat.

Prevail is a product that can be applied after the final coat of non-waxed gel, and has pretty specific requirements for when it's applied to the gel. It acts as an air inhibiting agent. There are others, but I can't recall right at the moment.

^^^ Help ?
 
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Raist11

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Edited - Better to leave it alone. I do think one accusation of hijacking in one thread was enough though.

Your post is very detailed, and informative, thanks. :) But I was just simply asking if gelcoat can never be applied over epoxy resin. It can't, good to know.
 

Raist11

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Re: 1974 Vanguard TRII Restoration Thread - Beginning

Back to the topic at hand, I haven't gotten back at the motor yet. We had some poor weather and I had other things I had to take care of. Today was finally nice but I had to get my compartments on the motorhome organized and ready for camping.

That's one of my other projects, it's a 1990 Triple E that is suffering but runs very well. We got it from my FIL. I'm hoping some things I learn in restoring my boat will help with the motorhome. Which in turn I'm hoping that will help with the restoration of the 1968 Ford Torino GT that I have to restore. In there I also have to build four large pieces of furniture (two beds, a desk and a shelf/cabinet for movies).

My point? Hang in there, I haven't abandoned my boat, I'll get back at the motor probably on Tuesday or Wednesday. :)
Can't wait for the end of July though.. at the lake for two weeks!!
 
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