1976 Johnson dies when put into gear..Please help!!!

ClockRocket

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(1976 85hp Johnson seahorse 85el76) Motor checked out ok with 120-125 compression all around, had carbs rebuild and new gas lines fitted.Tested the motor with bunny ears on and it ran great, but when we got it out into the water it idled fine and ran fine at medium to high speed,but every time that we tried to put it at a very very low speed it would eventually just die out. The mechanic that rebuilt these carbs is a master certified automobile mechanic so I was afraid to second guess him, but he said that their was no fuel adjustment screws on the carbs because the outboard was very old, but I thought that the jets could be set properly to add or reduce fuel, I am probably wrong...I am very confused please help.
 
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BonairII

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Re: 1976 Johnson dies when put into gear..Please help!!!

First off....get yourself a OEM service manual. If you had one, you could have rebuilt your carbs yourself.
Do know the model number of your motor?

I would doubt that your carbs have no adjustment at all. But then again, I'm still a noob.

My guess is that one(of more) of your low speed passages is still clogged. Any idea if the mechanic pulled the welch plugs when he rebuilt the carbs?
 

durban

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Re: 1976 Johnson dies when put into gear..Please help!!!

i am no mechanic , but i would start by setting the timing correct first .
 

emdsapmgr

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Re: 1976 Johnson dies when put into gear..Please help!!!

You have great compression on that engine. Worth putting some $ into. Your mechanic is correct-this carb has fixed idle and main jets. The idle speed/rpm's is set by adjusting the idle timing of the engine, not the carbs. It is common to have idle problems if the idle rpm's are set too low. Check this issue first. The idle timing needs to be adjusted only when the boat is floating in the lake, and is in forward gear. You can't set it on the trailer. Set the in-gear idle to between 650 and 750 rpm's. At that rpm, the engine should idle/shift normally. If you still have problems, it could be a carb/fuel issue. When that engine idles, the butterflys on the carbs close all the way. A little air flows through the small holes in the butterfly plates. The fuel at idle passes through special dedicated idle passages in the upper carb bodys. It is not unusual for fuel to evaporate in those passages over long storage periods, such as over the winter. When this fuel dries up, the gelatin can clog these small idle passages, causing idle issues. (It is typical/normal that when you crack the throttle slightly, that the engine will run better. Once the butterflys are cracked open (even slightly) they will draw fuel from the huge main jets, permitting the engine to run nearly normally throughout the rest of the rpm range.) When this happens, a carb rebuilder can't visually see the dried fuel and your mechanic may may have not addressed this potential problem. It is possible this is what has happened. When rebuilding carbs, you need to use some product which will dissolve dried fuel, such as a Gumout type product. An aerosol version of Gumout works well. When disassembled, you spray this through a fuel passage on one carb, noting the exiting flow rate/volume. Then blow through the same passage on the other carb, noting it's exit flow. You want to make sure the exit flow is the same from both carbs on that same passage. The repeat on the next passage, etc.
 

ClockRocket

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Re: 1976 Johnson dies when put into gear..Please help!!!

So how does one adjust the idle timing on it? I am going to order the manual but am waiting until payday.
 

emdsapmgr

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Re: 1976 Johnson dies when put into gear..Please help!!!

The idle timing is adjusted by the large screw on the spark control lever on the starboard side of the engine.
 
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