1976 Johnson seahorse now no spark

gm280

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????? Very confusing statement.

If you mean with the points open, you shouldn't try and measure across them because of all the loads attached, I'd agree.
If you meant that with the points open the reading across the points will be zero, that is incorrect.

Otherwise, the points should be disconnected from all circuits and when open, resistance across them should be infinite.

Tim, all the parts he and I were talking about were out of the ignition system for testing.
 

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Went outside to put the coil back on and seen my key the flywheel sits on was sheared off i guess it broke last night pulling the flywheel off gonna be hell getting that thing out now
 

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Tim, all the parts he and I were talking about were out of the ignition system for testing.

OK...didn't see that in the thread.
I won't ask why anyone would remove the points to check continuity and isolation, and condensers for testing.
 

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OK...didn't see that in the thread.
I won't ask why anyone would remove the points to check continuity and isolation, and condensers for testing.

Because he asked if the parts were connected up or not. And to offer a correct way to actually test things, they have to be either removed or completely isolated from the ignition system. I am certainly not trying to get into any argument or one up-men-ship here so don't read into this more then there is. I have no idea what the person's abilities are when posting how to test parts. So I take the easiest approach I can to help them out. And some times points develop a film on the contact areas and even closed they don't read properly. That's all! I am sure you have different ideas and procedures and if you want you can take over with this thread, go for it. I am not going to debate back and forth either way. JMHO
 

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Disconnect the kill switch, just cut one of the 2 wires if you have to, then connect them back up later. I've had a few of these take in moisure and short out.
If you have any grounds on your coils clean them up with sandpaper to get a good earth.
 

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Haha I appreciate all the help but yeah no need to turn it into a battle everybody has there on way of doing stuff I'm just trying to learn how to do stuff
 

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Can anyone post a picture of what the kill switch looks like this is my first boat motor project and don't know everything yet
 

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A tiny bit of moisture might be enough to ground the ignition. Check everywhere for worn or cracked insulation: kill button, connections to the points, plug wires, etc. Especially if it was working on a dry afternoon but won't fire in the morning when it's damp.

My old boss had a Stinson SM8A with a round engine. If he wanted to run it he'd have to hook up a hair dryer to run over night to evaporate the points.

You might make sure your points stay set after running it to make sure they're not slipping.

You might also want to kill your motor after it starts to see if it will re-start. Then do it again at the end of the day and then again in the moning to see if it's a temperature thing.

Your points aren't fouling after it runs right?
 

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That's what it seems like is happening couldn't get it going then put new plugs in and it cranked right up so I think so but I don't know what's causing it
 

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You stated you installed new plugs and it fired up. So that means everything that feeds the plug(s) are work...at that time. Have you used a spark tester to verify you are getting a good spark to the plugs? It is a very cheap device you can buy at most any auto parts store for $10 or less. It looks like this;
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You simply adjust the gap to about 7/16" (it has markings on it) and see if the spark is a nice blue spark with a snappy sound. One end gets attached to a good ground place while the other end gets connected to the spark plug wire from the coil. If that snappy blueish spark is happening, all the ignition is working well. Then if/when your engine stops and won't crank, you can test it to see where the problem is occurring. And knowing you tested each part isolated by itself, you can see if you do have a temperature or moisture issue. I can see the coils being suspect before the condenser and points. You would be able to see the points with moisture on them if they were the issue. And you could then use your meter to verify parts like before. Your entire ignition system is very simple. Nothing but a straight forward setup. One thing you could check when it stops running is if the points are still set to the 0.020" setting. If the rubbing pad/block on the pints or the points themselves are moving, the point gap could be closing and not opening up. You can apply a very thin amount of grease on the crankshaft lobe to help reduce rubbing block wear with the points. JMHO

Post your results and/or more questions. :thumb:
 

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I will have to go get one but my flywheel key sheared off so gotta wait till the weekend for it to get here but I ordered another set of points and condensors to just to have as a back up but I'm just really irritated with the whole damn thing I'm gonna go ahead and order a manual so I know all the ohm readings and everything so I don't have to keep bugging y'all about it lol
 

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On the bright side, You'll be pretty confident in the electrical system while running around after all of this.
 

Jeffdoss

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Haha yeah I know just the headache of getting it all straighten out is the problem
 

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Can someone please post a picture of the ignition wiring diagram and a picture of what the kill switch looks like can't get my hands on a manual at the moment having trouble finding one and can't find any info online
 

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Can someone please post a picture of the ignition wiring diagram and a picture of what the kill switch looks like can't get my hands on a manual at the moment having trouble finding one and can't find any info online

Now that is funny. I actually drew up such a diagram for your engine. And I was about to post it when I read you latest comment. I hope this helps. The kill switch is tied in between the condensers or anywhere on that exciter coil lines.

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Hope this explains things a little better. Your factory shop manual will have basically the exact same diagrams and also a pictorial one as well. Plus the theory of operation and every other measurement and check out procedure you would even want to know. Usually the kill switch is located at the helm and is either a clip type setup where you wear a lanyard with a clip that installs into the kill switch or a push type button that is used to stop the engine. It really all depends on the type they used on your boat. :thumb:
 

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I surely do appreciate it boss man

You are surely welcome Jeff. And I don't know why your thread is not updating. It shows a page back on the main page. But anywho, anything else you would like, just ask. :thumb:
 

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One more question could the points slipping cause the plugs to foul if not what could cause it to keep happening
 

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One more question could the points slipping cause the plugs to foul if not what could cause it to keep happening

If the spark isn't a good quality blue snapping spark, the plugs will foul quicker then a good quality firing spark. Even the heat range of the plugs can cause that. So make certain you are using the correct spark plugs for that engine. Prolong idling can contribute to fouling as well. The fuel mixture and even the type oil used. Make sure you are mixing 50:1 fuel to oil. And use a good quality type oil as well. Have you run a compression check on it yet? If so what were the readings?
 
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