1977 55hp Johnson cuts out while idling

jeeperman

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okay I am new to boating and have a 16' bowrider with this 55hp 1977 Johnson outboard. After running it up river for about 8 miles on a 90+ degree day it decided to quit upon idling down.<br />It will restart okay but only run for 5 to 10 seconds then quit abruptly. Wait 5 or 10 seconds and it will restart again. Sometimes we can put the gas to it and it will rev for a few minutes but 5 or 10 seconds after going to idle it quits. We thought dirty fuel so we checked filter(looked great) fuel pump (looked great) primer bulb is hard when running. Took carbs off and cleaned bowls and ports and jets with welding tip cleaner.<br />Checked fuel pump for good flow (looked good). Installed new spark plugs ($9.95CDN each!). Both plugs firing when it does run (checked plug wires with a timing light pickup). One coil to one cylinder appears to have been replaced. The other looks original.<br />What we thought might be a overtemp sensor above and to the right of the ignition terminal strip on the rear driver side of motor is a "generator". The local mechanic says this charges the battery. Being an automotive guy I dont see how this potted diecast thing with three wires going into it can generate electricty. Any how we removed the two fastners holding it to the base plate and noticed the insulation warn off on one wire. We also noticed that if we let the "generator" dangle from its three wires the motor would run fine. Also you got a jolt if you touched it will engine running. And sparks would jump if you nudged it towards the mounting base plate. It would do this even after we "reinsulated" the wire.<br />So we thought this was it and drove for two hours to buy a new one ($65CDN). Installed it and it does not run any better. HOWEVER, it runs great if we wrap the generator with electrical tape and let it hang by the wires and do not bolt it down to the base plate. Otherwise sparks jump and the motor cuts out again. ANY IDEAS?? PLEASE??
 

clanton

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Re: 1977 55hp Johnson cuts out while idling

The thing you are calling a generator is a rectifier, should have 1 yellow wire and 1 yellow/gray from stator and 1 red wire to starter solenoid. Needs to be grounded to block. I think the stator is bad, but cant find notes to verify this. The ignition system and charging system are not connected but the windings in the stator effect each other. I can explain this better on a V6 Johnson. when the V6 ignition side of stator is weak and you trim up at full throttle the RPMS will drop 300/400, because the loaded charging system causes the voltage to drop even more the weak ignition system. I dont understand why myself, but there is OMC SB on the V6.
 

jeeperman

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Re: 1977 55hp Johnson cuts out while idling

thank you clanton.<br />yes the item I called a generator does have the wire colors you describe. What happens if we leave the rectifier hanging ungrounded?<br />And sad to ask this but where is the stator located?
 

Fouled Plug

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Re: 1977 55hp Johnson cuts out while idling

The stator is located under the flywheel, and it generates all of the "juice" for ignition and charging. If the rectifier (which keeps the voltage going to the battery in a safe range) is ungrounded I don't think it will work properly, or maybe not at all. I'm no electrical guru, but the thing is grounded for a reason!
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AV8R

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Re: 1977 55hp Johnson cuts out while idling

As much as it is going to hurt. Start tracing wires and look for a worn spot or evidence of arcing along the course of all wires leading to and from the rectifier. Have a lot of beer handy and a rubberized wall if you hate electrical problems as much as I do.
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jeeperman

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Re: 1977 55hp Johnson cuts out while idling

Hello everybody!<br />Well you guys were right on! we pulled the fly wheel and WHA LA !<br />It was (is) definetly a bad stator. One of the coils in it has burnt the plastic encasement away. Partially exposing the coil next to it. The inside of the flywheel cleaned up real good. There is a number is yellow stamp on the stator..581232 is this the part number? Also what price might I expect to pay for a new one? Would it be worth my while to buy a used one?<br />THANKS YOU GUYS!
 
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