1977 70hp evinrude dead spot

roonie

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This 70hp (ser. # 70773/70779) starts good and goes like the dickens but when i try to throttle her up she has a dead spot before mid throttle point. It seems once i get past that dead spot she real takes off and performs just perfect. The previous owner claims the carbs were just done. If you look at my previous post you will see i have been having this same issue for some time now and have changed plugs/wires etc. all to no avail.
I tried something this last outing.....when I hit the dead spot i pushed in the choke (key) for a second and she cleared up and took off. Any idea where to go from here. Does this mean she is starving for fuel? The only other thing i can add is on a long day of boating she finally begins to run normal with no dead spot by the end of the day. Could this be a linkage adjustment issue? Is there a carb adjustment proceedure on this site or does anyone have one i could perhaps borrow. Thanks in advance.
 

fireman57

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Re: 1977 70hp evinrude dead spot

I've been fighting that too. Seems for about three years the fix was to just bump the choke. some have rejetted the low speed jets but mine had already been rejetted (.03200) and it still does it. I typed my 1978 70hp in the search feature and read 6 pages of threads but seems like the problem was never taken care of. Don't know what to tell you.
 

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Below is a reply I sent to a person with a '78 model, but will apply the same to your '77. Check the link & synch adjustment, and make sure the timing plate moves freely, but otherwise I'd bet you have the carb problem described below. ----

This is a common problem on an otherwise outstanding engine. The idle circuit on these loop-charged engines is very lean, and any slight disruption to fuel flow can cause this "lean bog" you are experiencing on acceleration. Mine is a 1976 Evinrude 70, and I about went nuts trying to correct the same problem. Here are a couple of things related to the carbs, even after a re-build:

1. If I remember correctly there are 3 very tiny fuel passages for the idle circuit of each carb. These are the tiny holes you see in the throat of the carb just behind the throttle plate. These ports need to be perfectly clean all the way through. Even after a "cleaning" during a rebuild, there can be deposits left in these ports. It's not so much a blockage, as a slight restriction by having slight deposits remain. It's worth it to have the carb bodies professionally boiled out to be sure all deposits are removed.

2. It's common after many years of use for the throttle plate shafts to wear a slight oblong shape into the carb body where the shaft passes through. This allows a slight amount of air to pass between the shaft and the carb body, and will slightly lean the mixture particularly at low speads. These particular motors are very sensitive to this, and it doesn't take much wear in this area to begin to cause a problem. Short of trying to find replacement carbs that aren't worn, a "fix" for this is to pack a small amount of heavy grease around the outside areas where the throttle shaft enters the carb body. OMC (now BRP) Triple Guard Grease is perfect for this as it's thick and tacky. Don't make a mess of things, you need just a thick film around the crevace area where the shaft enters the body of the carb. Do this only on the outside of the carb and do both sides, as the shaft exits on the opposite side of the carb body. The spring on the shaft isn't a problem, just pack a little grease at the edge where the shaft, spring, and carb body all meet. It's amazing how much this can help, and it lasts. I clean and re-apply the grease only about every other year on mine. It's quick, easy, and it DOES work if the engine is drawing air through here, as the grease seals this small air leak.

3. After doing some research I've concluded that OMC didn't have the idle jetting quite right on the earlier models of these engines. I don't have the jet numbers in front of me, but I replaced the low speed jets in mine with new ones that are 2 sizes larger. This completely solved my lean bog problem, and the engine still idles fine. Not quite as "clean" an idle as before, but still fine. Now, mine is a 1976 model. In 1977 OMC made a change and they started coming from the factory with an idle jet one step larger (richer) than my 1976 came with. This fact is what told me they recognized they had a problem. Your 1978 came with the same jets as the 1977 model, which means you already have idle jets that are 1 step richer than my originals were. By increasing 2 steps, my idle jets are now currently one step richer than yours. The jets are easy to experiment with, as they can be removed from the front of the carb without disassembly. Just be extremely careful not to allow the tiny low speed jet to drop in the carb throat when you change them. These jets are still readily available from a good Johnson/Evinrude dealer.

Installing the richer idle jets and keeping the throttle shaft entrance packed with a small amount of grease has completely solved my lean bog problem and it has remained solved for several years.
Good luck![/QUOTE]
 

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Re: 1977 70hp evinrude dead spot

Actually kruzer your's is the post that came closest to helping me out. Thought the grease worked until Ifound out that there was an air leak in the tank, It ran perfectly after the grease was applied. Next time out same story. It since dropped a cylinder but coil and powerpack should take care of that. My jets were already at .032 when I checked them so someone had already changed them.
 

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Re: 1977 70hp evinrude dead spot

Hallaluya....i have a gut feeling this is the correct answer to my problem. I will post back when i pack the grease. Only thing...this does not explain why after a full day of boating the problem seems to correct itself. Perhaps head build up seals the area? Does anyone have a pic of which are the correct jets to change. That would be great. Some numbers on those jets would be greatly appreciated 1Kruzer1...if you can find them. Thanks again and I will post back as i always dislike when someone elses problem is corrected and they never post back.
 

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Re: 1977 70hp evinrude dead spot

there is a screw on the top of the carb facing you that is just over the orafice where your choke plates are. Take that screw out and then you can get to the low speed jets. You need to have a correct size screwdriver to get them out or else you will screw up the threads. If you do a search Joe Reeves has info on how to make one yourself out of an old screwdriver. The running correctly after cool down suggests a powerpack or coil heating up and failing. When it does this put a timing light on it and see which cylinder is failing. When you find which one it is physically swap a coil off a known good cylinder with the one on the bad cylinder and if the problem doesn't follow the coils then they are good and it is probably your powerpack.
 

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Re: 1977 70hp evinrude dead spot

Sorry, I don't have size numbers on the Idol Jets, I just have part numbers.
 

1kruzer1

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Whoops -- accidentally hit post before I was done. I don't have size numbers on th idle jets, but the '76 part # is 0317473 and the '77-'78 part # is 0320016, which I know is one step richer. Your best bet would be to remove one from your motor and take it to a reputable evinrude dealer. My dealer had no problem identifying my jet and had a selection of new jets to choose from. I chose to go 2 steps richer, which for you would be to go 1 step richer. I've been very pleased with the result. I think you are correct that your engine runs better after extended use because everything has a chance to get "heat soaked" ( carbs, crankcase, etc.) so the engine does better with a slightly lean idle mixture. If I remember right my engine acted the same way before my "fixes." Good luck and I'll be curious to hear your results.
 

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Re: 1977 70hp evinrude dead spot

don't have part number but the jet size you want is .032
 

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Re: 1977 70hp evinrude dead spot

I have the similar problem for 2 seasons and just live with it. Thank everybody to post solutions. By the way, what is the idle speed after you use bigger jets?
 

roonie

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Re: 1977 70hp evinrude dead spot

I have the similar problem for 2 seasons and just live with it. Thank everybody to post solutions. By the way, what is the idle speed after you use bigger jets?



Yes....and how does a person change them and how many turns out. Does someone have pics of where to find these jets and /or a better discriptive of where they are situated. thanks so much. Sorry dont have a manual.....guess i better get one soon but going out to the lk. tomorrow to give this a whirl.
 

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Re: 1977 70hp evinrude dead spot

go to the diagram sticky note at the top of the forum page and type in your model number. the jets are behind a screw that sits just above the choke plates on the carb. You take that screw out and then the jets sit right behind them and screw out also. BUT you must have the correct size screwdriver to take them out or you will screw up the threads. If you do a search for Joe Reeves jet removal tool it should pop up how to make one from an old screwdriver. Once you have them out you can redrill them or buy the correct size for about 10 bucks each. They just screw all the way in and then put the outer screw all the way back in. Make sure you use the right size screwdriver you will screw up you carb basically beyond repair.
 

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Re: 1977 70hp evinrude dead spot

OK.....we are back to square one. Yesterday i took out the jet screw and with a magnifying glass, read the size as .032 so they have been changed when the carbs were done by the previous owner just two yrs. ago before i bought the boat.
I went ahead and greased the shafts going through each carb on both sides. They did seem worn when i wiggled them.
I took the boat out today and we still have the same old dead spot. I creep the throttle up and at the dead spot i hit the choke (key) in momentarily and she takes off. Should i bump up to a .033 jet 1kruzer1? Could this be a float level issue? Could this be a linkage being out of adjustment? Is there an accellerator pump on these engines that may be out of sync or not shooting enough fuel when needed? What to do next? im at a loss.
Another possible note is when the engine is in transport position i seem to have oil/gas leaking from the bottom of the airbox. Is this normal?

Ive always believed i could fix damn near anything i got my hands on so now im even more determend than ever.
 

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There is no accelerator pump on these carbs. Yes, if the floats are set so the fuel level is too low that will cause a lean condition. At this point, since you have not disassembled the carbs yourself, I would pull all three carbs and do a very thorough cleaning, or take them to a reputable mechanic to have them professionally cleaned and rebuilt. The tiny idle fuel passages are critical, and small deposits left in these areas can cause this lean condition. Also, I suspect the .032 idle jets are probably stock, as both you and Fireman57 found them in your carbs already. You may want to try 1 step richer, as this cannot hurt your engine (but you will be out the cost of the jets). Disassembling the carbs will allow you to verify the correct float height, or correct it if it's off.
It is normal to get a small amount of fuel/oil leakage when the motor is fully tilted up, but it should not be excessive.
 

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Ok....firstly thanks for your helpful information all of you. Just a couple more questions/comments. I am reading old posts about this issue and cannot believe the answer is not more clear....or is it the fact that more than one area of the engine can cause this same symptom.
Anyway....can i drill out these jets? The shop wanted $16/jet which i thought was a bit high.Cannot find them anywhere else locally

I read on one post with this same issue , that even when he covered the carb with his hand the engine cleared. Could this be nothing more than a poorly designed carb venturi or air box by any chance? The reason i am asking is due to the fact that the last owner had many hrs. put into this issue to no avail also. As stated earlier the carbs were done by a shop and after that was done the shop told the guy that he would have to live with that dead spot. I would hate to redo the carbs if this is in fact not correctable. Are there engines that have dead spots that are not fixable due to old age?
What is odd about this is the dead spot is its never the same. One time i can hammer the throttle and she just takes off.....next time the complete opposite.
 

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Re: 1977 70hp evinrude dead spot

What is odd about this is the dead spot is its never the same. One time i can hammer the throttle and she just takes off.....next time the complete opposite.

The ever changing "dead spot" leads me to believe it's a timer base issue. Maybe sticking sporadically or maybe there is a sporadic "short".

Although, the fact that you said that you bumped the choke and the motor "took off" points to the carb. I wouldn't think that the 'dead spot' would change though...if it was a carb issue.
 

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OK, sorry I somehow missed that it was a shop that did the previous carb work. No insult to anyone, but I've seen some pretty nasty carb work done by boat owners that thought they knew what they were doing. I am not a mechanic, but this problem is solvable because the motor didn't run like this when it was new. I agree with what Bonairll just said above, and I don't know what you have or have not checked, so just to review:
Link & synch adjustment must be checked and accurately adjusted if off. Timing plate must be absolutely free, and have no sticky or dragging spots in it whatsoever. Check to make sure the carburetors are snuggly bolted to the engine. Hopefully they installed new mounting gaskets behind the carburetors when they were removed and reinstalled. If not, this could be a source of a small air leak. You'd mentioned before that you were able to wiggle the throttle shafts around within the carb bodies. It's possible there is just too much wear in this area to be able to fully resolve the problem without replacing the carbs. It's also possible there is something more seriously wrong with the engine, such as a crankshaft seal starting to leak slightly. This will sometimes show up first affecting only the idle circuit, and again can be a source of a slight air leak which can cause the symptoms you are experiencing. Something like this is less likely to occur than the other problems so this would be more of a last ditch check. Another unlikely possibility would be a damaged or worn intake reed petal, but I would think this would affect more than just the acceleration of the engine.
It's hard to know how thorough the previous shop was in pursuing this problem. Because of the age of the engine they would have to be careful about how much labor charges went into the effort, and this may ultimately be what led to the recommendation of "just live with it."
 

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I am going to check the items listed above. I may not be reporting back for a few days as other priorities have arose.
1kruzer1.....are you saying that if i can in fact wiggle those throttle shafts, that they may be too far gone for the grease fix as well?
What i can tell you is that this package has been purchased new in 1977 by the last owner and has been used yearly at the cottage....and by the sounds of it, quite a few hrs. I got this lund boat for what i consider a steal so for me to be able to simply hit the choke /key and take off is not the worst thing in the world. Here in Saskatchewan the summers are short so the boat may only see water 6 times/ yr.
I guess i assumed a problem with this many dead spot posts would have a more accurate answer but as seen before, once a problem is repaired, the happy camper never reports back here to leave his fix for others sadly. The only other thing i can perhaps tell you all is that the compression must be rechecked as when i checked it my guage must be incorrect as both holes were 50lbs. There is no way in heck that this engine would run this good and fast (37mph) with that low comp. ......or would it? The only other thing i can tell you is that in the driveway with the earmuffs on this engine does not have a dead spot no matter how much i rev her. Only under load.
Oh yeah....one other thing ......some times she stalls at the dead spot and then i get that classic cough/ weeze or lean sneeze or.....whatever you call it....from the carbs. Its just very different every time. I know im talking too much but i guess im hoping someone will hit the nail on the head for me....lol
 

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I feel your pain. Still trying to figure it out myself. I have come to the conclusion that there is an inherent design flaw in the years from '76 to at least '79 that have this condition. With as many threads posted dealing with the same problem you think that someone would have figured out what the problem is by now. OMC didn't figure it out for at least 4 years because from 80 or 81 you don't have this problem and the techs and pros here haven't come up with it either. I am not bashing anyone on this site. The ones that know me know that I won't do that but it is just something that hasn't been figured out yet. There was an earlier post about someone wanted to buy one of these engines and I was a diplomatic as I could be when I said I would advise against it. If you figure it out make sure that you post it in big bold letters.
 

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Re: 1977 70hp evinrude dead spot

fireman57.....thats exactly what im talking about......so many dead spot issues and no fixes leads me to believe its a flaw as well. Here is what i am going to try next. Since there are a couple guys that say when they choke or hand cup the carbs...the engine takes off, ......I am going to block off two of the three air holes in the air box ( only temporarily ) and se if that makes a difference. I can totally see how way back in 1977 that the engineers could have gotten something wrong. What have I got to loose............................
 
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