1977 Evinrude 4 HP Problem

Chiboka

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The motor jumps out of fast speed with regular motor vibrations. Is there somewhere on the motor to tighten shifter so that this doesn't happen. Is a pain holding it in the fast speed while trying to steer. Any Ideas would be greatly appreciated.

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DM
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 4 HP Problem

Sounds like your lower unit is due for re-working.

(Jumping Out Of Gear - Manual Type)
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This pertains to lower units on all OMC manual shift outboard engines, or any OMC engine with lower units defined as a Shift Assist or a Hydro Electric Shift unit which incorporates a "Shifter Clutch Dog".

Within the lower unit, splined to the prop shaft is what is most often referred to as a clutch dog, hereafter simply called dog. The dog has at least two lobes protruding from it on both ends, facing both forward and reverse gear. The forward and reverse gears also have lobes built into them near their center area. When the engine is running, in neutral, the gears are spinning constantly via the driveshaft being connected directly to the powerhead crankshaft, but the propeller does not turn due to the fact that the dog is centered between the two gears, and the dog lobes are not touching either of the gear lobes.

When the unit is put into either gear, shift linkages force the dog (and its lobes of course) to engage the lobes of the gear. The lobes of the spinning gear grab the lobes of the dog, and since the dog is splined to the prop shaft, the propeller turns.

The lobes of the dog and gears are precisely 4machined, most with right angled edges that could be installed in either direction, and some with angles slightly varied that must be installed in one direction only (one end only must face the propeller). Dogs that can be installed in one direction only, if reversed, even if the dog and both gears were new.... would jump out of gear almost immediately. Keep in mind that the lobes are precisely machined with sharp angles!

Due to improper adjustment or worn shift linkages, but usually due to improper slow shifting, those precisely machined sharp edges of the lobes become slightly rounded. Now, with those lobes rounded, as the rpms increase, the pressure of the gear lobes upon the dog lobes increases to a point whereas they are forced apart (jumping out of gear), and due (usually) to the shift cable keeping tension on the engines shift linkages..... the unit is forced back into gear giving one the sensation that the engine has hit something, and the cycle continues.

Some boaters have the mistaken belief that shifting slowly is taking it easy on all of the shifting components..... Wrong! Shifting slowly allows those precisely machined sharp edges of the dog and gears to click, clank, bang, slam against each other many times before they are finally forced into alignment with each other..... and this is what rounds those edges off! The proper way to shift is to snap the unit into gear as quickly as possible.

http://stores.ebay.com/Evinrude-Johnson-Outboard-Parts-etc?refid=store
 

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 4 HP Problem

Does a 1977 4hp have a shift?
 

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 4 HP Problem

FR...... No, it does not. I just assumed that the engine definition is in error.

Chiboka..... What is the model number of that engine?
 

Chiboka

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 4 HP Problem

I do not think this motor has that "dog" setup. The motor has only forward direct drive with no neutral or reverse. You have to turn motor 180 degrees for reverse. There is a friction cyclinder under a plate at the base of the throttle arm. Is there somewhere under the flywheel that needs tightening to add tention too the retainer plate & bearing support plate. It just seems to be too easy for the throttle arm to move.

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DM
 

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 4 HP Problem

Okay, so you actually have a throttle problem, not a shift problem.

Look at the two bolts that hold the throttle lever inside the pan. One of those bolts is a tension adjustment. Tighten it up.
 

Chiboka

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 4 HP Problem

I have tightened those two screws as tight as they will go & It still jumps out of fast speed setting.

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Chiboka

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 4 HP Problem

I believe from looking at the Evinrude web site the motor is a 4706B.

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 4 HP Problem

Yes, that a 1977 4hp model. With those two bolts tightened securely, that throttle lever should be fairly difficult to move.

Did you by any chance have a new coil or two installed lately? If so, they're probably not aligned properly.

(Magneto Coil Alignment)
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To align the coils properly, have the metal vertical portion of the coil yokes aligned with the inside edge of the bevel that exists on the top portion of the aluminum seat upon which the coils sit. This creates the proper distance between the coils and the flywheel magnets. Faulty alignment creats friction and the yokes of the coils heat up, turn blue and expand.

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 4 HP Problem

No, I just bought it second hand off of someone in the classifieds. Not the classifieds from this site, just to clear that up.
 

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 4 HP Problem

From looking at the motor under it's cover. the motor looks untouched original paint on all the hex heads and screws. Doesn't look to me that there was any work been done on it. Looks like right out of the factory.
 

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 4 HP Problem

Had the same problem with an 83, and a 2hp Rude. Theres a plate under the fly wheel that all the points/coils mount to. You need to pull the cowling, nothing else. Turn the throttle. See that plate moving? Throttle attached to it. Now look for a horizontal cylindrical lug under that plate about 2 inches long with a screw going through it. Tighten it up...should do it
 

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 4 HP Problem

Thanks, I'll give it a try this weekend. So I have too remove the fly wheel correct? Too loosen the fly wheel nut is it clockwise or counter clock wise? Once I have this removed it should be a straight forward fix.
 

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 4 HP Problem

Here is a part pic. What part do you say is the one I need to tighten.
 

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 4 HP Problem

listen to joe reeves. He is correct, the friction adjustment is the two bolts on the lever. If it still is loose, look for a problem there. but if the bolts are as tight as you say, I suspect joe is correct, a coil is dragging. There is no adjustment on the armature plate on that motor.
 

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 4 HP Problem

OK, going with FR and Joe on this...Yep on the 2 screws!...just went and looked at 83 4hp I sold to a neighbor.(those guys know more than I EVER will (but learn daily from both)...(but it is advice that I gave that could help others..seen it way to much)...also I won't :rolleyes: bring up the manual thing
 

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Re: 1977 Evinrude 4 HP Problem

So I guess after all is said, I'll take a look at the coil arrangement. I'll tinker w ith it this weekend. I'll post my findings on Tuesday seeing we have a long weekend.

Cheers & thanks again,

DM
 
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