1978 Islander 22

DucatiDave

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Hello Group,

I'm starting a new thread for the Islander I bought last week. In the spirit of sharing, I'll be using this thread to convey what I learn about the boat as I go through her.

The boat doesn't appear to need a whole lot of work to get on the water (at least I don't think it does!), so this won't be starting out as a restoration thread. I don't claim to know a lot about boats either, so this isn't really a "how-to" thread. Instead, I'll try to make it an ongoing narrative of what I discover along the way.

I'll try to post as many pictures as I can. I'll certainly pose questions to the group, and hopefully spark some interesting conversation. And because I want this to be educational for everyone, I'll try to be as honest and detailed as I can when I tell you what's going on. For instance, the macho side of me would like to be able to say I got a smokin' deal on this boat. Frankly, I don't know if I did. I paid $2,100 for it. That's certainly a lot more than some people on this board have paid for boats that seem much nicer than mine. Some have probably paid more for boats that needed a lot more work than mine. It seemed about right for what I was getting, so I took the plunge.

Similarly, any methods or techniques I use to address issues I find with the boat are not offered as "best practices" (Whaddya mean I can't use duct tape to seal the outdrive bellows?). I'll just show you what I did and we'll find out together whether or not it worked.

So the point of this thread to provide a documented example of what happens when a guy plunks down about 2 grand for a 32 year old boat. Hope you enjoy the ride!

First, some pix and a few details. 1978 Starcraft Islander Mark IV 22. 165 hp inline six with Mercruiser stern drive. Hour meter says 1,300 hours on the motor. Have no idea if that's a little or a lot, but the motor seems to run fine. Hull has been beat up a bit by Lake Michigan, but stainless screws and sealant have made it watertight (I'm told). Interior looks original. Floor is somewhere in between solid and soft, but no immediate attention is required. Transom looks OK, but has quite a few holes (now sealed) from various attachments over the years. Seats, upholstery, carpet and cushions are old and ugly, but useable for the next year or so I think. Probably the worst thing is the horizontal surface right behind the windshield (dashboard?). It's particle board and has swollen and starting to disintegrate.

While the boat is currently set up for salmon and trout fishing out on Lake Michigan (outriggers and downriggers), I'll probably remove that equipment as I primarily want to use this as a pleasure boat (cruising, fishing, tubing, skiing?) on smaller inland lakes (Pewaukee, Lac la Belle, Okauchee, Geneva) with kids and their friends. Taking it out on the big lake would be exciting though. I might try it once I'm more familiar with the boat.

Here's my first question: Anybody have a good name for this boat? Any good aluminum-referenced names that you've seen?

Thanks,

Dave
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starcrafter65

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Re: 1978 Islander 22

Any boat that big should simply be "K-M-F"

Nice rig - not a fisherman but that seems like it should handle the Great Lakes. Looking forward to be out on Lake Erie soon myself!
 

Starcraft Enterprise

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Re: 1978 Islander 22

Thats a nice looking Islander. Looks like you got a pretty good deal to me. What is that contraption hooked to the outdrive? Another kicker plate? If it is, I guess that would give you a way to steer it. Never seen one like that before. That would be a pretty novel idea for adding an electric trolling motor. Can you get me a close up pic of it?
 

Huron Angler

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Re: 1978 Islander 22

Welcome to the Starcraft armada:)

That's one nice-looking Islander, sure she's a little rough around the edges, but nothing that you can't fix, and iboats can help you out there.

Congrats on the purchase and good luck with the new rig!
 

DucatiDave

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Re: 1978 Islander 22

Hi Starcraft Enterprise,

The bracket on the outdrive is indeed for mounting a kicker. The previous owner said he didn't use it because it interfered with tilting the outdrive up. Looks to me like there's a bit of clearance, though. Can't find any markings on it. May be homemade. Here are some crummy pictures. You can see a small metal fitting on the top of the mounting surface onto which a threaded rod was attached. The other end of the rod was connected to the kicker motor attached to the traditional mount to the left, allowing it to be steered with the outdrive (know what I mean?).

Dave

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Starcraft Enterprise

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Re: 1978 Islander 22

That things pretty neat. I could see some possible clearance issues with a gas engine but I bet an electric trolling motor would fit just right. I already have a gas kicker motor on a auxillary mount and have been trying to figure out how to add an electric trolling motor also. Would definetly be a cheaper alternative to the $600-$900 engine mount trolling motors. All I have to do is lock it down and rewire the controls to the helm.
Thanks for the pics. Your thread is already sharing valuable info.
 

GLG fishing

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Re: 1978 Islander 22

Welcome to the club. That?s a very nice boat you have there. It looks like a darn good deal. The hours on the motor are long in the tooth but if it was maintained you may be able to get a lot more. Best check the compression so you can see what you have. The 165 HP was a very common motor from Chev, so parts are easy to come by.
 

jasoutside

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Re: 1978 Islander 22

Dave! You got yourself an Islander there!!! Nice work buddy!:D I really like the way you found this iboats place too, pretty stinking funny! Glad you are here!

Click on my signature and you'll see I am a big fan of the Islander. You'll be disappointed though, yours is in waaaayyyyy better shape than mine! Yours has a motor, deck, steering wheel, can float... You know, all the important stuff that make a boat a boat.

Couple of quick suggestions for ya...

You should be able to just pull that wood right off on the "dash" there in an effort to prevent any further rot/corrosion sort of issues.

If you have no use for all that downrigger gear you can pull it off and turn it over pretty quick on clist. Doing that can make that rig a sub $2000 purchase easy!

Have fun with her! I'll be following along!

Cheers:D
 

DucatiDave

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Re: 1978 Islander 22

Thanks jasoutside,

Your Islander does seem to have started out a little, er, rough. Yours did come with the original "Starcraft Vintage PVC Specialty Stern Equalizer" though, which enhances it's collectability:)

I'm learning that boat owners have the same battles with Mother Nature that amatuer astronomers do. Anytime you buy a new telescope, you can be assured that cloudy weather will roll in and prevent you from using your new toy. It looks like a similar thing happens when you buy a boat. We've had nothing but near-freezing temps and rain since I brought the Islander home! Really eager for some warmer weather to take her out.

Thanks all,

Dave
 

ezmobee

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Re: 1978 Islander 22

Welcome to the club, nice boat, and I think you got a very solid deal on it. Good luck with it!
 

DucatiDave

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Re: 1978 Islander 22

Finally got the boat onto the water!

The kids' schedules were open and the weather cooperated so we dragged the boat over to Lake Keesus (a small, 237 acre lake about 5 minutes from our house). I chose this lake over Pewaukee (much larger and more crowded) because I just wanted to launch her and check things out and didn't want to deal with the traffic at Pewaukee.

Bottom line - everything went OK.

Took on maybe a gallon of water in the 3 or so hours we were out. Not too bad. Check for sources of leak.

Steering was hard sometimes, sometimes sloppy. Need to check that out. Lube? Tighten? At least get familiar with the mechanisms involved.

Shifting was difficult, too (but it worked). Again, time to investigate the parts involved.

Motor itself ran fine. WOT ran about 4,000 rpm (a 19p prop?) Have a spare prop that's a 25p. Will have to get smarter about proper propping. Tilt and trim OK.

Tach works. Volt meter OK. Temp gauge works and engine ran about 150 all day. Speedo, gas gauge, trim/tilt guage don't work. Time to get out the test light.

Frankly, this is the part of the project that I enjoy most - knowing that the boat is basically operational, but now I get to fix little things and make adjustments and become really well acquainted with all the systems.

What was most surprising to me was how small the boat felt when we had 4 people on it. Me, (only 5'8" but a bit wider than I should be:redface:), my normal-sized 10 year old son, two normal 12 year old girls. I thought we'd have lots of room with the boat being 22', but between the doghouse for the 165, a tackle box and a few fishing poles, it was really pretty crowded. Only had the two transom seats and one back-to-back seat at the helm. It was nice to have the cuddy for storage and the porti-potti, but it really eats into the room on the deck. Maybe I'll start looking for a 21' SS? Or do some "remodeling" of the cuddy?!?! Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Dave
 

GLG fishing

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Re: 1978 Islander 22

Glad your trip turned out good. Looks like you have a to do list like the rest of us. You asked about modifying your boat. I can tell you if it were me. I would keep this boat whole and complete. Fix it to be seaworthy and use it lots. Keep your eye out for a model of Starcraft that may suit your needs better. Buy it and restore it then sell that very fish boat that you have. You could make a profit if you keep it maintained.
 

DucatiDave

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Re: 1978 Islander 22

Thanks for your input GLG.

I admit, the idea of modifying the boat irreversibly strikes me as a bad idea. Taking a Sawzall to a boat that has survived 32 years seems sacrilege or criminal or something. I certainly suspect it would be bad for my karma!

At the same time, I realize that I sometimes become a bit too concerned about the intangibles. Too much of a purist. Part of me says "It's just an object. Just an old boat. It's not like it has feelings or it has a spirit." But, you know what? I'm not sure I believe that it doesn't have a soul.

There I go again.

Think I better not mess with it.

Dave
 

Gnarly

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Re: 1978 Islander 22

fix what needs fixing and go fishing, its a 2100 dollar boat.
 

CheapboatKev

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Re: 1978 Islander 22

Thanks for your input GLG.

I admit, the idea of modifying the boat irreversibly strikes me as a bad idea. Taking a Sawzall to a boat that has survived 32 years seems sacrilege or criminal or something. I certainly suspect it would be bad for my karma!

At the same time, I realize that I sometimes become a bit too concerned about the intangibles. Too much of a purist. Part of me says "It's just an object. Just an old boat. It's not like it has feelings or it has a spirit." But, you know what? I'm not sure I believe that it doesn't have a soul.

There I go again.

Think I better not mess with it.

Dave


Of course she has a soul..you knew that DD....
 

Kainon

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Re: 1978 Islander 22

Took on maybe a gallon of water in the 3 or so hours we were out. Not too bad. Check for sources of leak.

Found I had a small hole between the bottom of the transom wood and L Channel the transom sits on, I think it was a screw hole that never got sealed.. drove me crazy, sitting would take on water (slowly)


Steering was hard sometimes, sometimes sloppy. Need to check that out. Lube? Tighten? At least get familiar with the mechanisms involved.

I experience hard steering coming out of cornering at cruise sometimes, sloppyness can be from a worn helm unit or loose gimbal, loose steering arm, new lock nuts are helpful.


Shifting was difficult, too (but it worked). Again, time to investigate the parts involved.

If your experiencing hard shifting from Forward or Reverse TO Neutral then a non-working Shift Interupt Circuit is usually to blame. I cleaned up the shift interupt arm shaft, replaced the Lower Shift Cable, and made sure the shift interupt circuit is working.

Motor itself ran fine. WOT ran about 4,000 rpm (a 19p prop?) Have a spare prop that's a 25p. Will have to get smarter about proper propping. Tilt and trim OK.

Stock is the 19P, while 25P would be WAY to much and would lug and damage the engine. 21P could be used if your running light, but @ 4000 and with 4 people on board I'd say your right on target, you could play with a different style 19p Prop, not all blades are the same.


Tach works. Volt meter OK. Temp gauge works and engine ran about 150 all day. Speedo, gas gauge, trim/tilt guage don't work. Time to get out the test light.

150 is nice.. your cooling system is working properly the gauge could be off a bit too.. or the connections are a little dirty.

Speedo uses an "air pressure" system, air tube from the PITOT on the transom (sometimes gets kicked up) can cause it to not work. GPS Speedos are expensive but available, can also get Chart Plotter as they use GPS will give SOG (Speed over ground) .

Gas Gauge, well, fuel sender, connections etc..

Trim/Tilt Gauge Sender on mine is mounted on the firewall and has 2 hoses going to it, 1 from Tilt/Trim pump and 1 goes to the Reverse Lockout Valve.

Looks nice I like they Cadillac Style Cushions on the Seats.. COMFY !!!
 

DucatiDave

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Re: 1978 Islander 22

fix what needs fixing and go fishing, its a 2100 dollar boat.

Thanks. Exactly the sort of grounding I need. I tend to get caught up in the thinking, instead of the doing.

Dave
 

DucatiDave

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Re: 1978 Islander 22

Thanks also, CBK, for the reassurance. And to you, Kainon, for the practical advice.

What a great group.

Dave
 

DucatiDave

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Re: 1978 Islander 22

With horsecapades being kind enough to share a copy of the 1976 cruiser brochure, I've learned something new about the Islander model.

Apparently there's a standard model and then the Mark 4 model. Looks like the standard is intended more for fishing (single pedestal seats up front, no transom seats?), while the Mark 4 is more for cruising (back-to-back seats up front, seating at the transom, fold-up table).

It also looks like the cockpit floor is lower in the standard model. Does anyone know if that's true? If it is, does that mean there's just extra space underneath the floor of the Mark 4? Fuel tanks are on each side, above deck, so that apparently isn't what's under there.

Also looks like the Mark 4 has railings around the bow and stern. Anyone have any other insights into the differences between the two levels (or corrections to my observations?

paparoof, looks like yours is a standard model, based on some of the pix you've posted. Any other shots of the interior you can share?

Thanks all.

Dave
 
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