1980 Sea Nymph SS 165 Rebuild

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Yuck Yuck Yuck. That is a mess with the water. No limber holes in the ribs, Jas?
 
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Cool video... unfortunate state of affairs in that boat... looks like a rotten glasser in there with all that wood mulch... Like GA said ^^^, don't metal boats normally have a little limber hole channel down the keel under the ribs...? I guess the expanding foam just blocked it?

I really like this boat... Its got a nice wide beam... I know its been disassembled, but it looked very spacious while you were sitting in there talking...
 
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I have to agree, pour in foam sucks.
 
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pour in foam makes for a tough deconstruction before the reconstruction
 
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Jason, looks like we are up against the same monster at this time. It is totally incrediable how much trapped water and the relative weight there is in these boats. There was enough in mine to bend a 3500lb axle. I also learned yesterday this is not just a problem with old boats, as i metioned in another post my Bro bought a brand new Hewes craft 20'aluminum. It cost many many thousands of dollars. It has been on the water for 3 hours and in a car port under cover at his place since he put it away last fall. The only time this boat sat out side was at the dealer last summer. My Bro took a rear section of floor out yesterday to make sure he was not going to hit anything with the fastners for his rear seat pedistals and he found saturated pour foam in two compartments!!!!!!! What ware these maufacturers thinking.
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I'm having the same thoughts about spray in liner in boats

JC 0 ~ Bed liner 2

Really good foam video, well done.

Not to mention the nice progress on the demo 1 handed as well.

Keep the right high & dry. Iif your middle finger isn't in the splint bandage, try to keep from using it to much, it can pull on the back hand repair & stitches, burns like the worst bee sting ever. Which could also be a bit of strain on the two fingers in the splint...... All I'm missing is the t-shirt, bad ER repair 2/3rds of a life time ago. Left me w/ an upside down Nike swish on the back of my right....
 
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Jas
Good vid on the foam. Even better disclaimer on the next vid. :eek:

I have a glasser (I know "not in this thread") My deck boat had 3 times as much foam as yours.
I want to put it back in but I hate seeing how all the water was in yours.
Don't they make better closed cell foam now. From what I have read here it's supposed to be.

I do agree with you about the aluminum boat. Seen lots of good ideals with the pink stuff.
 
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In my opinion the only problem with a pour in foam is boat owner neglect,...

If you open the compartments and allow air flow to dry things out when they get wet most of the problems should be resolved,...

How long has that 32 year old boat been sitting uncovered and neglected???
 
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Looks like I tuned in just at the right time, I was wondering when the foam talk was going to start.

I liked your video, but found it to be misinformed and biased.

You blame the foam, but it's not the foams fault. That foam is saturated because of poor design/engineering on that boat and neglect by the previous owner.

That foam would not be saturated had the engineers designed that bilge to drain, and that foam wouldn't be saturated had the PO protected his boat from the elements by either covering it or garaging it... it's not the foams fault. The foam was sitting there waiting to do it's job if the boat ever sank, it could not help that is was exposed to rain, snow, and ice... nor could it protect itself.

Had that transom and deck been sealed properly before installation, it wouldn't have been mushy mulch either... that wasn't the foams fault either.

There are way to install pour in foam in an aluminum boat that will ensure drainage and prevent the foam from becoming saturated. There are also steps all boat owners should take to protect their investment and avoid neglect.

So please, don't blame the foam... put the blame where it really belongs.
 
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dozerII said:
What ware these maufacturers thinking.
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One of the places I launch is next to a marina and dealer. Now I understand why some of the boats in the marina aren't covered since the they're under a roof in the water - like birds don't crap all over them. What I don't understand at all is the dealer has probably 50 - 60 brand spankin' new boats on the lot and only about a quarter are covered. And some have been sitting there since last year so a lot are probably just like your Bro's. And of course if a buyer brings one back for water under the floor I can imagine it's one big fight.
 
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dozerII said:
my Bro bought a brand new Hewes craft 20'aluminum. It cost many many thousands of dollars. It has been on the water for 3 hours and in a car port under cover at his place since he put it away last fall. The only time this boat sat out side was at the dealer last summer. My Bro took a rear section of floor out yesterday to make sure he was not going to hit anything with the fastners for his rear seat pedistals and he found saturated pour foam in two compartments!!!!!!! What ware these maufacturers thinking.
Glen
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So much for the idea that "the new pourable stuff is better than the old stuff" :facepalm:
 
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GA, PMC - I didn't get much farther than what you saw in that video, so limber holes, not entirely sure. But, even if they were there wouldn't make a bit of difference as the foam would have them completely blocked.

Glen - I'm totally fine tearing out old wet foam given what I paid for this boat. Had I bought a brand new rig, at brand new pricing, with saturated flotation, I'd be raging mad!

JB - yah, that video was taken within hours of getting off the operating table. I'm not a very good patient:facepalm: The hand is healing up really well though. I made the executive decision to take off the splint thing yesterday (not supposed to come off till Tuesday). I hope my doc isn't an iboats member:redface:

Decker - yah, I can entirely see the use of expanding foam in a glass boat so long as the bulkheads are completely sealed off on all sides. Totally reasonable and great use of materials in my humble "no nothing about glassers" opinion.

Teamster - I'd think the only way to dry out the foam would be to have a hinged deck and lift the whole thing up. That would be unreasonable. Also, the bottom of the foam would never air out even if a fella went to those great lengths.

GA, EZ - Yah, new stuff better or not, if water doesn't drain, then well, it doesn't drain is kinda my thought. Water will win in the end.

grub - "misinformed" Nope, this boat doesn't drain and the foam is saturated. Watch the video again. "biased" - Actually, if I have a bias, it's in favor of expanding foam. I really think it's an excellent material to build with. Watch the video again. Problem is that it doesn't drain and because it's such a major problem it's use for aluminum boats would be limited to those that never intend to get wet. My Sea Nymph will get wet, guaranteed, inside and out.

I recognize you have a keen interest in debating pour in foam so I'll post these videos up in the Rebuild Section (outside of this thread) and more folks can post up their thoughts and experiences. If you would like to copy/paste your thoughts over there, that'd be cool. But I'll leave that up to you. It's a dead issue for this SN, pour in will certainly not be replaced.
 
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Common Applications: Our 2LB density marine foam is recommended for void filling in nonstructural applications. This product can be poured underneath decks and inside cavities where a lightweight flotation foam is needed to provide buoyancy. This foam has been tested in accordance with U.S. Coast Guard Regulation # 33 CFR 183.114 . This foam is approximately 95-98% closed cell which resists absorbing water, however continuous water submersion can eventually lead to loss of buoyancy over a period of years

Hmmmmm...

If some folks would pull their bilge plug after every trip to see what's going on in there, their foam wouldn't saturate... but some folks neglect to do that, they're afraid they'll lose it or forget to put it in before launching... so it stays right there in that little hole and minor problems aren't noticed until the become big problems.

Don't be an optimist, be a realist! Even brand new boats need the bilge plug pulled regularly.
 
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jigngrub said:
Common Applications: Our 2LB density marine foam is recommended for void filling in nonstructural applications. This product can be poured underneath decks and inside cavities where a lightweight flotation foam is needed to provide buoyancy. This foam has been tested in accordance with U.S. Coast Guard Regulation # 33 CFR 183.114 . This foam is approximately 95-98% closed cell which resists absorbing water, however continuous water submersion can eventually lead to loss of buoyancy over a period of years

Hmmmmm...

If some folks would pull their bilge plug after every trip to see what's going on in there, their foam wouldn't saturate... but some folks neglect to do that, they're afraid they'll lose it or forget to put it in before launching... so it stays right there in that little hole and minor problems aren't noticed until the become big problems.

Don't be an optimist, be a realist! Even brand new boats need the bilge plug pulled regularly.
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What Jason and I are saying is pulling the bildge plug would not have helped on our two boats. Because of the way the foam was installed there was no way for the water to even get to the bilge. Mine was exactly the same anywhere you dug a hole in the foam it filled with water just like a well. And if this foam is not supposed to absorb water "for years "why did it in a boat that isn't even a year old, that only sat out side "with the plug out" for a few months???

Glen
 
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Moved it....late, but moved...
 
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Check out the other thread Irish.
 
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He did all that while I was typing at work, got pulled away before able to post...lol
 
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