1981 Johnson 115 overheating question for the MASTERS!!

gregr1971

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I recently bought a boat with a 1981 - 115 johnson, i got it right because the previous owner said the "buzzer keeps going off within a minute or so", he had the t-stats replaced, did not solve the problem, my first thought was an impeller kit, being as it sat in his garage for six years, after checking the compression , each reading 120, i bought it. well, now that i own it, i cant stop it from overheating. new impeller, t-stats(again), deflectors in block, head gaskets, carb kits, head gaskets, the darn thing still overheats to over 220* in less than a minute , maybe two. water comes out the tell tale strong and steady, when revved up, it comes out of the two relief ports in a good solid stream. when i pulled the heads, i noticed that the cylinders still had the crosshatch in them(good), any help is appreciated!!!
 

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Re: 1981 Johnson 115 overheating question for the MASTERS!!

BTW, i have worked on these crossflows for 20+ years , and i am stumped!!
 

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Re: 1981 Johnson 115 overheating question for the MASTERS!!

I wouldn't think that the water should come out the tell tale, it is for air relief from the cylinders, it does half to do with the cooling system but only for burping the air out of the power head. I have no solutions at this time myself but other will chime in. I could be wrong about the tell tale part.
 

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Re: 1981 Johnson 115 overheating question for the MASTERS!!

Im not quite sure what wildmanimal is referring to , your tell tale should have a constant steady stream of water, not too hot to the touch, it is where the wasted cooling water exits, dont know what he means by burping the air. Are you certain it is in fact overheating? Have you held an temp gun up to it or are you going by the gauge? Is the overheat horn going off?
 

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Re: 1981 Johnson 115 overheating question for the MASTERS!!

HT, It is definetly hot, my temp gun reads 212 on the starboard, 219 on port, but has steady water flow..
 

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Re: 1981 Johnson 115 overheating question for the MASTERS!!

Very strange, Ive heard of defective stats, even when new, but after 2 new sets im sure that cant be your problem. That is definately getting pretty hot quickly too, in under a minute you say. Id have to say its not really getting the cooling water that it needs to heat up that quick. I think id pull that lower unit again, and make sure that the grommet on top of the impeller housing is sitting nicely on the water line, I ve had a couple overheat because of this. Pull the t stats also, 1 at a time while the lu is down, and blast compressed air up them to ensure they arent blocked or leaking.
 

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Is the engine being tested on the hose with muffs or in a vat?Otherwise if all of the cooling components have been replaced and installed correctly,the only thing that comes to mind is either a restriction somehwere in the water jackets ,ie, a piece of spent water deflector or the waterpump discharge tube is restricted of fractured.Also insure that the intake screens are clear.
 

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You could try to remove the t-stats completely, put the t-stat cover back on, start it up and check.
 

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Check the valve body in the thermostat housing. There should be two extremely small holes in it, one for each thermostat. They let hot water bleed through to the stats to cause them to open. They frequently plug up with dirt and crud over time. These holes need to be open for proper stat operation.
 

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Re: 1981 Johnson 115 overheating question for the MASTERS!!

HT, i pulled the lower unit to make sure i did not bugger up the gromment, and i did blow air and water up the tube , i just come back in from pulling the two hoses off of the heads gong to the t-stat housing, water is coming out of both heads, HOT water, AGAIN, i am thoroughly confused, this is a first....
 

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Re: 1981 Johnson 115 overheating question for the MASTERS!!

I'm no master but are you sure the thermostates are not in up side down. This may not even be possible but it sounds like you have water that wants to do the job but can't get through.
 

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Re: 1981 Johnson 115 overheating question for the MASTERS!!

Could be clogged up water passages in the head covers or swolen water deflectors in the water passages behind the heads.
 

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greg,I reread your first post and noticed that you made no mention of servicing or replacing the pressure relief valve as part of the t/stat assembly.You also mentioned that you had a steady stream of water exiting the two relief ports.I assume that it is relieving at low speed and out of water.These two relief ports should only produce a steady flow with the engine underway and up to speed.Otherwise you are robbing the cooling system of water volume at slow or idle speed which could be causing your overheating issue.
 

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Re: 1981 Johnson 115 overheating question for the MASTERS!!

greg,I reread your first post and noticed that you made no mention of servicing or replacing the pressure relief valve as part of the t/stat assembly.You also mentioned that you had a steady stream of water exiting the two relief ports.I assume that it is relieving at low speed and out of water.These two relief ports should only produce a steady flow with the engine underway and up to speed.Otherwise you are robbing the cooling system of water volume at slow or idle speed which could be causing your overheating issue.
i replaced the complete t-stat assembly, poppets, manifold, springs, gaskets.
if i rev up the engine, water will flow out of the relief ports.
i am in the process of removing the head covers, had to take a break, torch is hot, and my beer was getting warm... i have one more bolt to heat up and remove, let ya know in a minute if corroded up......
 

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Re: 1981 Johnson 115 overheating question for the MASTERS!!

very minimal corrosion under the head cover on the SB side.
????????????
 

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Re: 1981 Johnson 115 overheating question for the MASTERS!!

Im not quite sure what wildmanimal is referring to , your tell tale should have a constant steady stream of water, not too hot to the touch, it is where the wasted cooling water exits, dont know what he means by burping the air. Are you certain it is in fact overheating?

Obviously you didn't read the adding a tell tale to a V4 crossflow thread/site closey High Trim. That is were I got the info from. As I mentioned I could be wrong about the tell tale so give me a break. I admit I am not to fimiliar with the cooling system but I am known for solving problems were I live and I am pretty mechanically inclined. We are here to try and help not to belittle. No offense.
 

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Re: 1981 Johnson 115 overheating question for the MASTERS!!

ok, i am putting the tools away for now, i must be tired, i found myself picking up a 20lb sledge hammer............wonder why....
 

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Re: 1981 Johnson 115 overheating question for the MASTERS!!

that gave me a chuckle....:D When in doubt, use the sledge! Are you on the water or running muffs when overheating?? You said when revved up it comes out of the relief ports, so I am going to assume you are on the water. I think we may be getting somewhere when you said the water entering the stat area is HOT! Might be grasping at straws, but out of ideas, could you somehow have an exhaust leak superheating the cooling water? Im not even sure that would cause the overheating that you are talking about, but like I said, grasping at straws.
 

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Re: 1981 Johnson 115 overheating question for the MASTERS!!

i am running it in a 300 gallon stock tank, when i say hot, i am using a thremal gun, the head covers will get up to 219*, the cylinder block will heat up to aound 240+, the water from the relief ports is approx. 120*-140*, and the tell tale stream is cold.
if i keep running it i know it is going to seize sooner or later.....
i also pulled the two hoses from the thermostat housing/manifold, the water coming out of the heads is 200+ degrees.
i am officially lost.
 

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Re: 1981 Johnson 115 overheating question for the MASTERS!!

Wildanimal, the tell-tale's primary function is to stream water out of the cooling jacket for a visual indicator that the pump is working. Putting the tell-tale high in the jacket has a _secondary_ purpose of passing out any air pockets trapped in the jacket as it fills.

The tell-tail, or water pressure indicator should be a solid steady stream of water from idle on up.


On to the problem. Have you tried a back-flush of the system from the t-stats back out the water tubes? Could be you've got something stuck in there. Now, the exhaust bypass ports passing a steady stream out at idle is a bit concerning too. I think there's a big clue in that. Not sure what yet.
 
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