1982 Mercury 70 runs then stalls and wont start back up HELP!

Larson70

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I have been working on this fidgety engine for 3 months and counting and it seems like everything that will go wrong does. Its a 1982 Mercury 70 hp 3 cylinder with 2 carbs. I finally have good spark after replacing the trigger assembly and the board. The idle is adjusted a bit high because it needs to be in order to take off in the water. The time before last i was on the water it fired instantly but would stall every time you engaged the prop, turning the idle up and doing some fine tuning with fuel to air fixed this problem. I had it on the water 2 days ago and it started on first try and after a 5 to 10 min warm up took off with flying colors. After testing the throttle from idle to full and back and forth it eventually stalled after 15 to 20 min of riding around. When it stalled it refused to start back up. I checked for spark on the water with the engine hot (this was previously a problem before i replaced the board) and it was full and strong. I have cleaned the carbs four times and there is no build up in them. The primer bulb is new and pumps up fully and maintains itself while on the water. The only thing i can think of at the point is possibly a bad fuel pump diaphragm. Also when I try to start it back up after it stalls it tries harder when the choke is up. When the choke is down it just cranks for days, it can take up to and hour to start back up again. Im at fuel pump problems or needle/seats in the carb (which still seemed to work fine with an air pressure test. Please give me ideas, the season is coming to an end and i havent been able to use this boat all summer.
 

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Re: 1982 Mercury 70 runs then stalls and wont start back up HELP!

How hot did it get?

Have you installed a water pump kit or at least a new impeller?

Inspect the spark plugs and also look into their holes, turn the motor over by hand and look at each piston dome.

What color are they? Black, brown, grey, white? Melted?

Start it on the 'muffs' can you hold your hand on the exhaust side cover, does it get warm or stay cold?

If you overheated it much, you may have scuffed the pistons, pinching the rings and lowering compression.

Compression test each cyl, what did you get?
 

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Re: 1982 Mercury 70 runs then stalls and wont start back up HELP!

CharlieB,
It def got hot because it had steam coming out of the pee hole with the steady stream of water (which i have heard is normal). I still was able to touch the block for a second without my skin getting burned. It has a new impeller/water pump and works well. Plugs look good and are new and have a bit of oil on them once and a while (the mix is correct at 50:1). The pistons look fine and have black carbon on top as expected. I havent tried covering the exhaust ports but id assume hot. Compression test was evenly distributed with 105,108,105
 

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Re: 1982 Mercury 70 runs then stalls and wont start back up HELP!

If steam is comming out with water from the pee hole the divider plate between the water jacket and exhaust might be cracked and causing a overheat problem. You will need to pull the cover off and inspect the divider plate, but be very carful not to brake any bolts off when doing it. The bolts will usally be correded in the block and can be very hard to remove. If you haven't replaced the thermostat and or popit valve yet, they could also be causing a overheat, and are easier to do first, before checking the exhaust divider plate. JMO
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Re: 1982 Mercury 70 runs then stalls and wont start back up HELP!

Default Re: Mariner 70 hp thermostat/poppit valves

On those mid-70's to mid-80's Merc/Mariner 3 cylinders...

No tstat or poppets.
 
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Re: 1982 Mercury 70 runs then stalls and wont start back up HELP!

Im going to remove the exhaust manifold and take a look at this divider plate. If it is cracked, it can normally be welded/repaired?
 
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You can replace the divider plate if it,s cracked or corroded through. It may be just a gasket letting water into the cylinders like mine was doing. Check the piston through the exaust port hole after removing the exhaust cover and baffle for water damage on the piston wall
 

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Re: 1982 Mercury 70 runs then stalls and wont start back up HELP!

Larson70,

I am also in the mid-70's to late-80's 3 cyl Merc club. I have a 1978 70hp. What you describe is exactly what went on with my motor over the last season or two (including it becoming increasingly crotchety and my "crutch" fixes), until it did finally corrode all the way through the exhaust baffle plate like Oldman and Max above are talking about. In my case saltwater then got into the cylinders and crankcase, destroying nearly everything in there. I have a used, supposedly fresh-water only, 1988 powerhead on the way right now.

Just a few ideas/warnings for you:

If the motor has seen a lot of saltwater use, there is very little chance that you will get the exhaust cover (port side cover) bolts out (some 12 or 13 of them IIRC) without breaking off most of them. Even in a freshwater-only motor, you'll have a tough time with that, especially with the two smaller (7/16" head, IIRC) bolts right in the center of the plate. Corrosion sucks. And if it's seen salt, there is almost no chance that the exhaust baffle (under the plate) will come off without breaking apart, even if it is currently not yet fully corroded through.

If you want a clue as to the condition of the piston skirts and rings, and to check for corrosion on your connecting rods (which would be a sign of water intrusion), you can pull the transfer cover instead (starboard side; plate that the fuel pump is attached to); then you can see these things through the intake ports. Since the transfer cover sees air/fuel/oil instead of water, it will be far easier to remove (no corrosion). You will have to remove most or all of the stuff (switchbox/rectifier and plate, ignition coils, etc.) on that side first.

I came up with what I believe will be a way to check whether the baffle plate is corroded through (or if there are other water passage leakages) without removing the exhaust cover, and--assuming I can't get it's exhaust plate off without an epic struggle--I plan to do this to my used powerhead when it shows up; you would have to remove the entire powerhead to do this though:

-Plug/block tell-tell brass hose nipple outlet at top rear starboard side of cylinder block.
-Invert cylinder head so it rests on it's top; carefully!
-Fill cylinder head with water through the passage that the water pump feeds (red arrow in pic).
-It should fill between the exhaust cover and baffle, and into the space around the cylinders under the rear cylinder cover, until it just starts to come out where they used to put the tstat/poppet in the early 70's (blue arrow), and out the cylinder block drain hole (green arrow); my guess is about 2-3 quarts total.
-Now, let that baby sit awhile, and see if the water level drops. If it does, you got a leak somewhere; and if it's not external, it's internal. If it drops fast, you probably got a real bad baffle plate hole.

Merc_3Cyl_Cooling_Passages.jpg

I am thinking about whether the same test might be do-able without removing the powerhead; I'm thinking you'd have to:
-Drop the LU.
-Plug/block the plastic nipple on the starboard side of the exhaust plate that feeds cooling (?) water to the fuel pump.
-Create some sort of manometer-like device to attach to the tell-tale brass nipple, like some clear tubing held straight up somehow.
-Figure out a way to force water up the water pump copper tube until it fills the block and goes partway up your tell-tale manometer device, then quickly plug/stopper the water pump pipe so you can then chekc whether the water level drops over time.

Or alternately, plug the water pump pipe, and slowly fill it through the tell-tale/manometer thingy?

Way I see it, if the baffle's already gone, it's already ingesting water, so a little more won't hurt it.
 

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Re: 1982 Mercury 70 runs then stalls and wont start back up HELP!

ok so I finally got around to taking the exhaust manifold cover and plate off. The bolts were a bit corroded but it came off pretty easily. The gaskets didn't look terrible but there may/may not have been a low spot. I'm going to try replacing the 3 gaskets inside and putting it back together. I'm not positive but doubting this was the problem but I liked the idea. What do you guys think is next?
 

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Re: 1982 Mercury 70 runs then stalls and wont start back up HELP!

As long as you've got the exhaust covers off, get a flashlight and slowly spin the flywheel by hand, and check out the connecting rods (for rust) and piston skirts (for scoring) and rings (all there, not sticking) through the exhaust ports.
 

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Re: 1982 Mercury 70 runs then stalls and wont start back up HELP!

none of them are sticking. All rings are in tacked, all pistons still look shiny and new for being 30 years old. The top cylinder has a bit of scoring but it hasn't effected the compression from the test i did a few weeks back
 

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Re: 1982 Mercury 70 runs then stalls and wont start back up HELP!

anyone think the fuel pump could be cutting out bc that is my last hope
 
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Becuase the boat runs fine for a prolonged period of time I would think the fuel pump is fine or at least good enough. Take off the covers to the carbs and pump up the bulb hard keep squeesing. See if gas is seeping into the throat or throats. If so replace the needle valve and seats check float level. other than that. New carbs are an option if rebuild didn,t work. Again There cold be a leaking lower seal in the endcap allowing water to seep in mixing with the fuel mixture
 

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Re: 1982 Mercury 70 runs then stalls and wont start back up HELP!

I pumped up the bulb and gas seeped into the throat pretty easily threw the bottom port, so I am going to replace both seats and needle valves. Sound like a good solution and that could have been the problem?
 
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Maxz695

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Yes my bottom carb does the same thing needles and seats on the way as we speak
 

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Re: 1982 Mercury 70 runs then stalls and wont start back up HELP!

same, I ordered Sierra 18-7061 (2 sets of them).
 

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Re: 1982 Mercury 70 runs then stalls and wont start back up HELP!

Larson70,

I use the Sierra needles/seats, too. The rubber tips on the needles have a tendency to swell and stick in the seats. After every use, I disconnect the fuel line at the engine and let the motor keep running for a minute or so to empty the carb bowls some. Prevents the sticking needle issue.
 
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ajgraz (your inbox is full Can,t write you) Could you do me a big favor please If you get time check the outter exhaust plate cover very closely see if there is any part of the inner side of the outter exhaust port cover, (Not the baffle divider plate) and see if any part of the plate is not exactly flush. The outter bolt holes of my plate where the thermostat would go are tappered All of them(possibly from last owner overheat). The divider plate shows no indication that this should be this way. I will tear it off again tommorrow to confirm my suspicions. Keeps pissing water through the bolt holes and some was getting into the engine. Waisted 30.00 on gaskets. Using gasket maker better no water in the engine but still pissing thorugh the bolt holes. New gaskets ordered 30.00 more. Saw a nice set of 60 HP tri set Top cover divider plate and ex cover but for a 60 HP wonder if there the same? ? ?
 

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George, cleared my inbox. Maybe we're hijacking this thread, but it could be apropos to the OP's issues.

I checked the exhaust plate that came off the 1988 60hp powerhead. Even though it is pristine, it is bowed a little (if that's what you mean by "tapered"?), but inward just a hair in the area of the T-stat casting. I will say the previous owner silicone RTV'd the bejesus out of both the baffle-to-block and cover-to-baffle, in addition to gaskets. I am thinking I may do the same, or possibly use Permatex gasket sealant No.1.

Are you torquing the bolts to spec and in order? BTW, the 60hp plate and baffle you're looking at will fit if they're off anything up to a 1990 (I think I've seen the very ones you refer to on EBAY)
 
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