1984 140hp Evinrude leak down test results question...

dfrants

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thinking of buying a boat with a 1984 140hp evinrude from a used car lot that took the boat in on trade. the owner brought the boat to a repair shop to have some work done and a tune up. They did a compression and leak down test on the motor. the compression numbers where 121, 129, 121, 128. The leak down results where 11%, 10%, 25%, 35%. I'm not sure what the leak down numbers mean...good, bad, ok, normal for that old used engine??? any input will help. thanks...
 
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racerone

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Buyer beware I would say.-----You know that these motors have issues with broken rings.
 

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In all of my 30+ years in the trade, I never once did a leak down test... and quite frankly never hear of such a test until many years after I retired, and that was via the Internet.

I was more interested in the compression test of which the numbers you listed (121, 129, 121, 128) are within the ballpark for a 1984 140 hp Evinrude/Johnson, plus the readings are only 8 psi apart.

The engines that were subject to piston ring breaking were what was called "High Ring Pistons" whereas the top piston ring had but a few thousands between the top edge of the ring and the top edge of the piston.... this existed many years back in time from the manufacture of the 1984 models. Your engine has approximately 1/8" of piston between the top of the piston ring and the top of the piston.

Compression is all important, and in my opinion, at the present time, the compression readings of that engine are fine..... and the leak-down test is pure bullshit! As with all engines, there is bound to come a time when some failure will take place, however I see no indication of it in what you've had to say.
 

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Not unheard of for a '83 - '84 140 to be 130, 135 psi outa the box. Had a '83 that was very strong. 130 plus per hole.
 

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Fwiw I've had plenty of failures with Xflow motors. Never had anything post '78 eat a ring.
 

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I never did find the leak down test any good for a two stroke mtr. But for a four stroke you can't beat them for finding a compression problem. Was using that back in 1961-62.
 

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I never did find the leak down test any good for a two stroke mtr. But for a four stroke you can't beat them for finding a compression problem. Was using that back in 1961-62.
Precisely. "Leakdown" test is to detect leaky valves. Not for checking compression in 2 stroke motors.
 

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'84 was the last year for the 140 xflow btw. Replaced in '85 by a prop rated hp Looper.
 

Joe Reeves

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I never did find the leak down test any good for a two stroke mtr. But for a four stroke you can't beat them for finding a compression problem. Was using that back in 1961-62.

Agreed.... I should have stated that Boobie, and I appreciate you jumping in here to state the difference (2 Stroke vs 4 Stroke).
 

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Why can a " leak down " test not be used on a 2 stroke.----Can it not be used to find leakage past rings and out the exhaust ports ??
 

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Why can a " leak down " test not be used on a 2 stroke.----Can it not be used to find leakage past rings and out the exhaust ports ??

I surmise that it is because there is no oil ring incorporated on a 2 stroke engine, and that the two or three rings that exist on a two stroke always include a small bit of bypass... drawing from memory, something like .007 to .017, somewhere in there which makes a leak-down test untrustworthy. A compression test has always been the norm.
 

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But the leak down test has nothing to do with an " oil ring "------It measures the amount of air leaking out of a cylinder !!!------Air leaking out of a valve on a 4 stroke or air leaking past rings?-----I do not believe the equipment " knows " whether the test is on a 2 stroke or 4 stroke motor.-----It measures the amount of air leaking !
 
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