1984 70hp top cylinder spark seems off

cmuman

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here's what I got

1984 70hp evinrude
starts right up
When I pull the top plug wire nothing changes, but for the other 2 it does.
Rebuild carb. Everything ok there.
Switched plugs no change
switched wired no change
switched coils no change

I'm thinking powerpack.

any ideas? thanks in advance
 

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Re: 1984 70hp top cylinder spark seems off

oops typo

switched plug "wires" no change
 

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Re: 1984 70hp top cylinder spark seems off

It is leading you to the PP, but due to its expensive price tag, I would probably test it none the less before purchasing. These ignition components are often non refundable. Do you have, or have access to, a DVA meter? Also, have you checked the spark on an inline spark tester set to 7/16 of an inch?

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Re: 1984 70hp top cylinder spark seems off

Does a DVA meter go by any other name?
Have not tested spark with 7/16 gap test. when testing for spark, it seemed to jump farther than that, but I guess I didn't actuall measure.
 

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Re: 1984 70hp top cylinder spark seems off

This is from the CDI Troubleshooting Guide.

NO SPARK OR INTERMITTENT ON ONE OR MORE CYLINDERS:

1. Check the trigger resistance and DVA output as given below:

Wire Color :Check to Wire Color :Resistance : DVA Reading
White wire :purple :38-42 :0.6V or more Connected
White wire :Blue wire :38-42 :0.6V or more Connected
White wire :Green wire :38-42 :0.6V or more Connected

2. Check the DVA output on the orange wires from the power pack while connected to the ignition coils. You should have a reading of at least 150V or more. If the reading is low on one cylinder, disconnect the orange wire from the ignition coil for that cylinder and reconnect it to a load resistor. Retest. If the reading is now good, the ignition coil is likely bad. A continued low reading indicates a bad power pack.
 

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Re: 1984 70hp top cylinder spark seems off

Can these tests be done with a multimeter, or do I need to find a special tool?
 

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Re: 1984 70hp top cylinder spark seems off

What should these plugs be gapped to ?
 

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Re: 1984 70hp top cylinder spark seems off

Can the coils be tested with a multimeter?

Thanks.
 

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Re: 1984 70hp top cylinder spark seems off

Plugs should be Champion QL77JC4 gapped to .030


The 'resistance' can be checked with a multimeter, but the DVA readings will need a DVA meter in conjunction with the multimeter, or a DVA meter alone.
 

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Re: 1984 70hp top cylinder spark seems off

So is there an ohm amount that I chould get across the coils? Or do coils also require the dva meter?
 

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Re: 1984 70hp top cylinder spark seems off

If you swapped a known good coil to the mis behaving cylinder, and spark did not improve, i would doubt the coil is to blame.

However, for testing purposes.

It's a good idea to incorporate a continuity test of the coil windings as follows. A coil can be made to fire even with broken windings BUT it will let you down at the worse possible moment.

(Magneto Capacitance Discharge Coils - Continuity Test))
(J. Reeves)
Check the continuity of the ignition coils. Remove the primary orange wire from whatever it's connected to. It may be connected to a powerpack screw type terminal, a rubber plug connector, or it may simply plug onto a small boss terminal of the coil itself.

Connect the black lead of a ohm meter to the spark plug boot terminal, then with the red ohm meter lead, touch the ground of the coil or the powerhead itself if the coil is still installed.

Then touch (still with the red lead) the orange wire if it's attached to the coil, or if it's not attached, touch the primary stud of the coil. You should get a reading on both touches (contacts). If not, check the spring terminal inside the rubber boots of the spark plug wire. Poor or no continuity of a coil is one reason for s/plug fouling.
 

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Re: 1984 70hp top cylinder spark seems off

hightrim, does that spark tester you put the picture of have an adjustable gap or is it preset to 7/16? What site is that pic from?
 

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Re: 1984 70hp top cylinder spark seems off

You can get those tester at ANY local automotive store for under 10 bucks. They are adjustable.
 

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Re: 1984 70hp top cylinder spark seems off

I guess I didn't realize they were adjustable. Thanks

I did the test with the ohm meter set to 2000.
I put the black lead where the plug wire goes and then put the red on the ground of the coil and the end of orangish pink wire coming from the coil. On all coils the readings were from 241 to 245. So there's not much variability. I hope I tested where I was supposed to. Electrial work has never been my strong suit. Thanks for the help. GREATLY APPRECIATED
 

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Re: 1984 70hp top cylinder spark seems off

I know some automotive places loan tools out. Does anyone know of a place that has a DVA meter to loan? or do I have to buy a new one?
 

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Re: 1984 70hp top cylinder spark seems off

I did not think the coil was faulty. Swapping them with a known good one is the quickest and easiest test. I would get an inline spark tester to ensure that you have no spark on the top cylinder. Im not sure if anyone loans out DVA meters. Call your mechanic/dealer/marina and ask them if they could test your Power Pack for you.
 

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Re: 1984 70hp top cylinder spark seems off

I will get a tester tomorrow.

I swapped the top coil with the middle coil, and the problem stayed with the top cylinder. I did take apart the carb and clean it and checked all the jets and cleared passages, so I don't think it is a fuel delivery problem. Could fuel pump be an issue even though it is only on 1 cylinder? I'm still leaning toward the power pack??
 

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Re: 1984 70hp top cylinder spark seems off

Remove the plugs and let us know their condition. 'Reading' a spark plug can give you info on what you are dealing with. If you determine you are losing spark from the test, it will NOT be fuel delivery related.
 

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Re: 1984 70hp top cylinder spark seems off

I didn't check gap when I had the plugs out earlier, but they all seemed to tell the same "story" All plugs were a dark cardboard brown with a very little gas/oil in the recess around the electrode. They seemed to be pretty normal to me. I will also try new plugs when I can get them.
 

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Re: 1984 70hp top cylinder spark seems off

Hightrim, you've been patient and very helpful. I thank you for that. I'm glad that there's a resource like this site for undereducated people to use. Maybe after a few years of this I can start handing out a little advice.
 
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