1984 evinrude 35 still wont start

[AlTn]

Re: 1984 evinrude 35 still wont start

really, you're gettng the cart ahead of the horse if you don't disassemble the powerhead first before ordering parts. Try to get a good estimate of the damage and what that's gonna run to fix it. It's possible you can find another 35 hp.in your area with a blown lower unit and pick it up at a reasonable cost. Often ebay will have sellers parting out motors and you may find a powerhead. The old adage about buyer beware applies in any case.

If you do decide to rebuild, and time isn't a consideration, ebay can offer significant savings over new when purchasing parts.

Anyway, that's by 2 cents worth of advice.

 

[likitvi]

Re: 1984 evinrude 35 still wont start

Properly rebuilt one will be in far better condition than most 2nd hand replacements, which we call "Kamikaze parts" in here. Then again, the value of the old outboard will not raise to justify the cost of parts, save for the time spent. Much depends on how you value things and how long you think you will share ways the old outboard.

 

[EZSteury]

Re: 1984 evinrude 35 still wont start

I got together with My Dad and starter the tear down process, I never took one of this apart so far so I made a few mistakes, broke a couple of bolts I will have to drill out but I got the power head off (can't split it yet) and got a look at the piston. The top piston it appears was run with out oil or for some reason the rings came loose and banged inside the cylinder marking it but the piston is not cracked and moves freely I think if the seats are ok I could just slap a set of rings on it. The other piston is fine with no visible issues. I'm searching the diagrams to select the parts I'll need but there are a few I can't find, the 10-12" plastic sleeve with O-ring for the driveshaft that goes through the water pump and the seal at the top end of the copper pipe for the water pump into the power head, anyone know the part #'s?

It is true it is plenty of work to bring this back to work, yesterday I found one from 82 identical to this one (but running) for $250 OBO but it sold before I could make a decision.

Here is a pic from the piston surface.

 

[SCduckhunter]

Re: 1984 evinrude 35 still wont start

0304297 upper water tube grommet is the rubber grommet and I believe there's also a plastic water tube slide or holder in there as well..the plastic tube I'll keep looking on that

 

[EZSteury]

Re: 1984 evinrude 35 still wont start

Well got a few minutes after work and pulled the head apart, the piston itself looks ok to Me, the top ring is fine and the bottom ring is in pieces, everything else looks fine or in better words shows the same normal wear.
Here are a few pics of the carnage, what would cause this? Lack of lubrication from the fuel? rpms too high at startup? Age?
Also I'm pointing at the two parts I could not find, one is a water supply and the other is a sleeve with two o-rings one at each end, I found it with a patch of fiberglass and bondo. Should I buy this part?
All I found so far is #BRP-0326693.

Thanks.

 

[jasper60103]

Re: 1984 evinrude 35 still wont start

Well got a few minutes after work and pulled the head apart, the piston itself looks ok to Me, the top ring is fine and the bottom ring is in pieces, everything else looks fine or in better words shows the same normal wear.
Here are a few pics of the carnage, what would cause this? Lack of lubrication from the fuel? rpms too high at startup? Age?
Also I'm pointing at the two parts I could not find, one is a water supply and the other is a sleeve with two o-rings one at each end, I found it with a patch of fiberglass and bondo. Should I buy this part?
All I found so far is #BRP-0326693.

Thanks.

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I can't say what happened to engine, but others will probably chime in.

That sleeve keeps the exhaust from reaching your crank, so I would replace it.
Boatsnet and marineengine have the parts you mentioned.
I sent you a PM. Good luck.
jasper

 

[EZSteury]

Re: 1984 evinrude 35 still wont start

I can't say what happened to engine, but others will probably chime in.

That sleeve keeps the exhaust from reaching your crank, so I would replace it.
Boatsnet and marineengine have the parts you mentioned.
I sent you a PM. Good luck.
jasper

Thank You for the link, I'm reading it now. I wonder if I can re-use the piston as it doesn't look damaged except the area on the face were it hit the pieces of the ring trying to get out.
I also broke a head bolt on the block I can't drill it out since the POS easy out broke right inside it. I could've drilled all the bolt out and go a bigger size, can I just skip that bolt?

Thanks.

 

[EZSteury]

Re: 1984 evinrude 35 still wont start

Here is a picture from that link with the parts I'm missing on My carburetor from the throttle link to the choke which I'm missing completely, anyone have this little parts or know where I can get them?


Thanks.

 

[kfa4303]

Re: 1984 evinrude 35 still wont start

Hi EZ. Here's a parts catalog for your motor that may help.

1984 Evinrude E35ELCRR 35 hp Outboard Motor Parts

 

[EZSteury]

Re: 1984 evinrude 35 still wont start

Thank You for that link but I have seen that one, under carburetor it shows the carb and a damper/butterfly in the front of the carb but the controls and linkage is missing. The photo I uploaded before shows the carburetor with the fly, controls that mine is missing, I also tried ebay and several websites but none show the part.

 

[jasper60103]

Re: 1984 evinrude 35 still wont start

Here is a picture from that link with the parts I'm missing on My carburetor from the throttle link to the choke which I'm missing completely, anyone have this little parts or know where I can get them?

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Thanks.

Hey, EZ.

Try checking the salvage yards in the link below. I'm sure they should have the parts you need.
tcoutboards is a big one here in MN. Also heard positive feedback about timsoutboard.

http://forums.iboats.com/johnson-evinrude-outboards/salvage-yards-wilde1-438822.html

 

[EZSteury]

Re: 1984 evinrude 35 still wont start

Hey, EZ.

Try checking the salvage yards in the link below. I'm sure they should have the parts you need.
tcoutboards is a big one here in MN. Also heard positive feedback about timsoutboard.

http://forums.iboats.com/johnson-evinrude-outboards/salvage-yards-wilde1-438822.html

I will do that, thank You.

Here is a pic with a circle showing the parts I should have on My carb but I don't have any of them.

 

[jasper60103]

Re: 1984 evinrude 35 still wont start

I will do that, thank You.

Here is a pic with a circle showing the parts I should have on My carb but I don't have any of them.

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I reviewed your pics again in post#18. I am confused about your setup.
Its not a carb with a choke system like you would expect, and whats
that spring for?
You may be better off finding a complete carb for your motor.

jasper

http://www.marineengine.com/parts/j...LCRR&manufacturer=Evinrude&section=Carburetor

 

[EZSteury]

Re: 1984 evinrude 35 still wont start

I reviewed your pics again in post#18. I am confused about your setup.
Its not a carb with a choke system like you would expect, and whats
that spring for?
You may be better off finding a complete carb for your motor.

jasper

1984 Evinrude E35ELCRR 35 hp Outboard Motor Parts

At $370 for a carb I'll try and find what is missing.

 

[jasper60103]

Re: 1984 evinrude 35 still wont start

At $370 for a carb I'll try and find what is missing.

I was suggesting a used carb. Your call though. Good luck.

 

[EZSteury]

Re: 1984 evinrude 35 still wont start

Thanks to the link You sent Me I can source one from a salvage yard for $100, that is not bad, I do want to understand what I'm missing on mine before I start spending money on things I don't need. Someone mentioned before that mine does not use the controls for the choke that the solenoid works as a choke but there are still parts missing there such as the throttle return spring and something in front of the carburetor but I still can't get a full picture of how mine looked like when it came out of factory. I ordered the parts I think I need for the rebuild yesterday, I ordered rings for the piston that sucked the old lower ring out, I really don't know if I should re-use the old piston but it is not cracked and does not have a lot of damage to the ring grove at all it is only banged on the top from the ring. Surprisingly the cylinder does not a scratch from all this.
Btw does anyone know where to order helicoil or threaded insert for the head bolts? I drilled the broken bolt out and the helicoil I find locally are only about 1/2" in length, I think I should use something a bit longer.

 

[Don Hansen]

Re: 1984 evinrude 35 still wont start

I'm curious. You say that the PO started and ran the motor before you bought it. Before you throw a whole bunch of money at the motor for parts you don't need, why don't you ask him how to start it. The BRP part catalog shows an electric primer system just like you have. You can't have both an electric choke and an electric primer because their solenoids mount in the same place on the carb. I've found that BRP is a real pain when it come to their drawings. They'll use the same drawing for different models of the same motor. What I'm getting at is that maybe your carb never had a choke.

DLH

 

[likitvi]

Re: 1984 evinrude 35 still wont start

Or some PO might already have swapped a carb from a newer model into it. Any, or most, for up to 1994/1995 should fit.

Locate the part number on the carb body and check which model it is.