1984 Johnson 150 VRO can't keep running when warm

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First off I would like to say hi to all forum members! My name is Chris and I am new to the forum.

I have been an avid boater and fisherman all my life. I have owned 4 boats. 3 of which ran so well I never really need any service on them except for regular maintenance. I now, on boat 4, want to start doing repairs for myself instead of spending a ton of money in labor costs at a repair shop. I am mechanically inclined and have purchased a service manual for the the new boat I just got.

Its a 1979 Aquasport Family Fisherman with a 1984 150 Johnson VRO....stole it a $1000 at auction. The glass, transom and stringers are all in great shape. I did have a lil history on the motor as a few repairs were done before it went up for auction.

Repairs I have done are 2 new starting coil packs, fuel primer solenoid, thermostats, water jacket gaskets, pressure relief valves, gear lube and new plugs and a decarb.

The carbs were rebuilt and it also had a new rectifier....so here comes my problem......

I have had conflicting stories and what the compression should be. Online says anything less than 100 PSI budget yourself for a rebuild....I have 90 PSI in all 6....but then 2 Johnson/Evinrude repair shops tell me the 90 PSI is good as these motors only had 95-105 PSI brand new from the factory...who should I believe????

After doing the above repairs I go to fire it up...first turn snap, she fires right up....I make an idle screw adjustment and get her down to 900/1000 RPM with muffs.....I let her warm up a lil and I put her in forward and reverse with no problem. After running for about 10 minutes the tach starts jumping, the engine begins running rough and she stalls....I turn the key several times and she fires back up but is running so rough that I have to keep the control lever at fast idle, if I drop it back in neutral she dies......If I let it sit 10 minutes or so it fires right back up and runs great until she gets warm again and than it stalls out....

Fuel line and primer bulb are good, has good gas, fuel filter is new, carbs rebuilt, doesn't appear to be a fuel delivery issue......HELP!!!!!!!

On a side note, I found this interesting, I doubt its the problem but a friend said it could be as the charging system is overworking its self and I am losing power when warm......The battery is shot....I charged it for 2 days and its only holding 1/3 of a charge....if I turn the fish finder on I am at 11.7 volts and with the motor running I am at 12.0 volts. I know the battery needs to be replaced but is the charging system working properly???? Is the battery cell that low that I can't charge above 12.0 volts? Could this be my stalling problem...the battery? Doesn't seem like it could be but could I be wrong? Thank you in advance for any imput.......
 

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Re: 1984 Johnson 150 VRO can't keep running when warm

About this model year, OMC started using low compression heads. Your current compression of 90 is about right. Best if they are all even, but you should still get many hours out of that powerhead. An erratic tach reading is probably an indication that the rectifier/regulators is going out. (that's what charges the battery.) Usually you will get an erratic tach at the same time that the rectifier/regulator quits charging the battery. That engine stator is divided into two parts: 1. it will make it's own ignition voltage to run the engine. 2. Separate coils in the stator are dedicated to re-charging the battery. If the regulator/rectifier is not working, the starter, trim motor and other devices like bilge pump, radio, fishfinder will all continue to draw/drain on the battery. Regarding the rough running: could be an ignition problem. Weak ignition components tend to fail once the engine heats up to normal operating temps. Once you run the engine and it starts to act up, check each plugwire for spark. An inductive timing light is helpful. The flashes from the gun will show you the quality of spark on each plugwire. Or, you can do a cyl drop test-also a very good spark test.
 
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Re: 1984 Johnson 150 VRO can't keep running when warm

About this model year, OMC started using low compression heads. Your current compression of 90 is about right. Best if they are all even, but you should still get many hours out of that powerhead. An erratic tach reading is probably an indication that the rectifier/regulators is going out. (that's what charges the battery.) Usually you will get an erratic tach at the same time that the rectifier/regulator quits charging the battery. That engine stator is divided into two parts: 1. it will make it's own ignition voltage to run the engine. 2. Separate coils in the stator are dedicated to re-charging the battery. If the regulator/rectifier is not working, the starter, trim motor and other devices like bilge pump, radio, fishfinder will all continue to draw/drain on the battery. Regarding the rough running: could be an ignition problem. Weak ignition components tend to fail once the engine heats up to normal operating temps. Once you run the engine and it starts to act up, check each plugwire for spark. An inductive timing light is helpful. The flashes from the gun will show you the quality of spark on each plugwire. Or, you can do a cyl drop test-also a very good spark test.

Thank you very much for the reply. I'm glad to hear that the dealer was right about my compression. That makes me feel a lot better!

The reg/rectifier was replaced. You can see that its brand new. Of course even a new on could be bad right from the manufacturer.

Like my buddy mentioned I was wondering if the battery cell was so low that it would not accept a charge over 12.0 volts and that the charger system indeed is working, but the battery won't accept the charger...so maybe I should load test the battery(already know its bad) and test the charging system......

So I maybe also looking at new wires or maybe I have bad coil packs on the other cylinders? She fires up very fast and starting has never been a issue.
 

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Re: 1984 Johnson 150 VRO can't keep running when warm

My experience is that the coils are usually very reliable. On a purely statisitcal basis, the power pack is most likely ingition component to fail. It's expensive, so I wouldn't just go out and buy one. The stator and timer base are also part of the system and they are expensive, too. It will pay you to do some good troubleshooting before you make your purchase. A factory service manual for your engine is the ticket: check out: outboardbooks.com. Also, this website has some excellent information: cdielectronics.com
 
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Re: 1984 Johnson 150 VRO can't keep running when warm

Yes I did buy a service manual. I did check the prices of stators and reg/rect and they are pricey $229 for the reg/rec and $329 for the stator. I know power packs are around $100.....I do want to troubleshoot more and get some more input from you guys on here before I start going out and buying things I may not need. Obviously one of the first things I need to get is a new battery as the one that came with the boat will not take a charge anymore.
 
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Re: 1984 Johnson 150 VRO can't keep running when warm

Also does anyone have an idea of the value of this outboard?
 

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Re: 1984 Johnson 150 VRO can't keep running when warm

Hard to judge the value but, a (half) educated guess would be $1000 to $1400. Lot's of variables to consider but, your motor has a (lot of running life left as mentioned above) so it should be an easy re-sell or trade.
 
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Re: 1984 Johnson 150 VRO can't keep running when warm

Hard to judge the value but, a (half) educated guess would be $1000 to $1400. Lot's of variables to consider but, your motor has a (lot of running life left as mentioned above) so it should be an easy re-sell or trade.

Thats I lil less than I thought, but hell after all I did get the boat, motor and trailer at auction for $1000 so I did alright! I'm in the green on this one!
 

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Re: 1984 Johnson 150 VRO can't keep running when warm

That engine has dual power packs-one for each head. They can be swapped for testing purposes. If you have misfiring on one head and the misfire moves to the other head when you swap the packs, that tells you something.
 
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