1985 25/20hp rude powerhead swap

Goldfish

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I have a 1985 25hp rude that I tore down due to low compression (85/85). After honeing the walls, I found that they are out of round (alot) and would require new pistons (.03 over), rebore, rings etc... Now my question is, would a 20hp block of the same year work on this engine (both are tiller)? I would have to strap my old flywheel, electronics, starter, and carb on it. And... if it does fit, with the bigger carb on it, would it essentially be a 25? Thanks guys :D
 

G DANE

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Re: 1985 25/20hp rude powerhead swap

I will, as long as you use the intake manifold, reed assembly, carb, exhaust pipe and cylinderhead from the 25 HP.
 

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Re: 1985 25/20hp rude powerhead swap

I wasnt planning on switching the cylinderhead over, but everything else I was going to. Should I swap it over?
 

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Re: 1985 25/20hp rude powerhead swap

Shouldn't be a problem...<br />- Scott
 

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Re: 1985 25/20hp rude powerhead swap

The 35 Hp head provides higher compression and different swirl pattern than the 20. I know for sure, I put an old sparkplug in and filled combustion cavity with oil and compared size. the 35 HP head was more than 10 % smaller than the 20 HP. Not 100 % sure of the 20 / 25 difference, but I think 25 and 35 uses same head.
 

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Re: 1985 25/20hp rude powerhead swap

Hi G Dane,<br /> I show the 1985 20 and 25hp (and the 30hp) all using the 327671 cylinder head.<br /> But, a 1982 25 and 35 have different cylinder heads, with the 25 using the 327671, and the 35 using 327672...<br />- Scott
 

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Re: 1985 25/20hp rude powerhead swap

Allright, so i should be ok(tm)?<br />Oh chinewalker, your from the 1000islands too? We have a camp up there in TI park! Absolutly beautiful there during the summer.<br />ps... if you see a 14'' wahoo sinking, please save me :D
 

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Re: 1985 25/20hp rude powerhead swap

I stand corrected, thanks Scott. The one I messed with was a 1981. Good to get the right info. I guess they found an easyer way to detune than producing differend heads. Looks like even the 20 and 25 heads were alike in 81. Specially glad to get that info right now, cause I have a 1984 25 HP with a blown lower that I'm gonna put on a 35 HP mid/lower to get a 35 HP, wish I had a 35 exhaust pipe to look at, so I could modify the opening on the 25 pipe.The pipes were different, right ?
 

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Hi G Dane,<br /> I show the exhaust tubes being the same for the '81 35 and 25., with both using part #324333. I believe some of the exhaust restriction comes from the design of the outer exhaust housing and the method of exit for the exhaust at the lower unit (above prop vs. through-hub)...<br />- Scott
 

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Re: 1985 25/20hp rude powerhead swap

Thanks - looks like I will get a real 35, as the 25 was already upgraded with a 35 carb.
 

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Re: 1985 25/20hp rude powerhead swap

Through-hub vs trim-tab exhaust really makes that much difference in hp? It just doesnt seem to me that it would make all that much difference. I would understand a change in the intake manifold, and carbs, but the placement of the exhaust exit? Why wouldnt omc have used it years before. Merc has been using through prop exhaust for years on their smaller motors, and I believe my motor is one of the first 25's to use the through prop exhaust. I think there has to be a difference somewhere else too.
 

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Re: 1985 25/20hp rude powerhead swap

Hi Goldfish,<br /> It's not just the exhaust making the 10hp difference. It's the carb, intake, etc. All, combined, make up the difference. <br /> As for why they didn't use the through-hub on the 25, I think part of it was economics. The non-hubbed exhaust unit was tried and true (very similar to the older 22-cuber lowers), props were available at the 25hp level (different hub, but blade designs were around), and it made for a good price point motor between the 15hp and 35hp. The through-hub unit was a new design and probably cost much more to build.<br /> I'm thinking out loud and hypothetically here, but if the 1981 15hp cost $900 and the 1981 35hp cost $2000, it wouldn't make much sense to offer an essentially the same 25hp for $1800 or so, making a huge gap between offered models. But, with a less deluxe offering at 25hp, maybe the cost comes down to $1400 or so, making the gap much less imposing. A few years go by, the tooling cost of the 35hp unit is paid for, props are available in many sizes, and they drop the old design unit in favor of the through-hub unit for all 31.8 cubers, adding a 20hp model. <br /> As a footnote, the non-through hub unit stuck around for a few more years, being used in the base model 28SPL motors in the late 1980s.<br />- Scott
 
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