1985 25' Aquasport Express Fisherman Stringer Foam Transom Questions

bigkahuna427

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I have to say I have found the community here on Iboats to be very informative and inviting with plenty of knowledgable people. I hope you guys do not mind answering some questions for me.

So, I am looking at this boat and trying to avert the disaster and bad news I have done plenty of reading about. I guess it is always the bad news that buyer in an unfortunate situation are bringing here. I have recently watched a video series on youtube that an Iboat member had done. He bought a mid nineties SeaRay and had to replace transom floors and stringers. I think he called himself Frisco Boater. I have to say he has b*lls to do all that work in his driveway. However, it was a bit depressing to me to watch that as most of the boats I have been looking at are older than that.

So, this boat is a 1985 25' Aquasport Express Fisherman. I have been there to see it once and felt pretty comfortable with what I had seen so far. In the pictures at photos 12 and 13 are the transom around where the gimble bearing housing connects to the transom. If it wasn't for that one thing I would have bought that boat that day. It is by far the best boat I have seen. The current owner has done a ton of work and it appears to be done correctly. He says the transom was that way when he got the boat.

He has removed the engine and replaced valve cover, oil pan gaskets, alternator, starter, some sending units, ignition coil, painted the engine, powder coated the oil pan and valve covers, checked the bearings and a bunch of other stuff. He has also had the outdrive off and replaced the shift boot. It is pretty clean under the engine cover and most of the wiring looks good. It has a GM 350CI engine that sounds really good and showing 165 hours on the meter. Being the mechanic that I am the 350 appeals to me as I know it like the back of my hand. It has a four blade prop. The outdrive looks to have been bottom painted black. He is a meticulous guy and has literally done everything I would have done with an older boat.

Here are some pictures.

http://s1012.photobucket.com/user/nwsmith427/slideshow/Mobile Uploads

So here are my questions:

Is this boat built with flotation foam?
Am I in denial about how much I am getting myself into? If I just had to replace the transom I might get into it.
If the transom failed should I assume the stringers and deck are gone too?
The boat is sitting about 5 or 6" from being fully on the trailer. He said he even put it in a downhill position and could not get the boat on the rest of the way. Pretty heavy boat so maybe you could not get it on anyway but I am wondering, is this boat a foam filled water logged boat?
 

jigngrub

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Foam isn't required in boats over 20', but that doesn't mean that boat doesn't have any. Manufacturers can and do use foam in larger boats for deck and hull support.

You can have a marine surveyor inspect the boat for a fee and he can tell you if the stringers and transom are wet... wet=rotting or rotten.
 

jc55

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I've been following along on your other post. Yes, you are in denial. But, that may be okay. I go into each low budget purchase assuming that stringers, transom, and deck need redone regardless of what the owner says. Especially a boat that sits in a slip or outdoors when it's not in the water. I mean, how can they not? These old boats with open decks sit outside all year long and water gets in and under EVERYTHING. I would have it looked at as jigngrub mentioned.
 

bigkahuna427

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How does a surveyor know a boat is rotted or water logged? JC55 I think you are correct that I should assume it is rotted. I guess if go into this I want to know what I am getting myself into. It is not that a big project is beyond me but I am just not sure I want to. Then again maybe it is unavoidable. Maybe every 15 and 20 year old boat is rotten? Heck, this one is 30!

Maybe this would be a fun project in kind of a tooth pulling kind of way!
 
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jigngrub

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How does a surveyor know a boat is rotted or water logged? JC55 I think you are correct that I should assume it is rotted. Maybe every 15 and 20 year old boat is rotten? Heck, this one is 30!

Surveyors use a moisture meter to check the boat.

Just about every older fiberglass boat and even tinnies will be rotten unless you can find one that's been garage kept, and they're extremely rare.

About the best you can do in the old fiberglass boat market is to find the style you like with a good motor and decent trailer and then restore the hull. Then you get a real nice like new boat for a fraction of the cost of a new one.
 

jc55

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About the best you can do in the old fiberglass boat market is to find the style you like with a good motor and decent trailer and then restore the hull. Then you get a real nice like new boat for a fraction of the cost of a new one.

Exactly. Make sure you love the boat. I LOVE my Steiger. pulled it out tonight to do the transom and deck. Will be well worth it to me. Pick the one you want...Southern Maine should be a minefield of great candidates!
 

bigkahuna427

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This boat is not for me but does bring up a couple of questions. The add describes all fiberglass stringers but the picture with the deck off looks to me like 1 1/2" wood material. Certainly looks built like the brick sh*t house compared to the newer stuff.

http://southcoast.craigslist.org/boa/4624108501.html

Were boats built with no wood in the stringers?
Are the plastic jugs in the photo used for flotation?

JC55 That Stiegercraft looks like it should have a gimble for blue fin tuna and a pot hauler for lobster. Where did you find it? My daughter just moved to Columbus so I have made a few trips through NE Ohio.
 

jc55

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Yes they make boats with fiberglass stringers. Steiger Craft started in 1990 with fiberglass stringers(mine has them), A grid system in 92 maybe and fiberglass deck in 96 I think. Got her from S.C. , was a south Florida boat.

Well if you're ever in the area let me know. I've been to Maine a couple of times to visit friends. Wood certainly isn't a bad thing. If you have a warm place to work in the winter, essentially building yourself a new boat can be quite gratifying and even cost effective depending on the model.
 

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That 1976 Winner is a GREAT Hull. One of the Best Classic boats built for that Era. If I was about 1500 miles closer I'd be all over that deal. Once restored that would be a beautiful boat that would ride big water. Put some Twin Classic Mercs on her and you'd be SET!!!!
 
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