1985 3.0 Mercruiser 140

Ed Harris

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What is the best plugs, plug wires and plug gap to use on this enging. I upgraded the points to Pertronix and flame thrower 1 coil.

tks,
Ed
 

Bt Doctur

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While I dont agree that is an upgrade MR43T plugs .035-040 and good silicone wires
 

achris

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While I dont agree that is an upgrade ...

Throwing out a 100 years old, inefficient, trouble prone system to put in a modern electronic replacement 'not an upgrade'? Are you Amish?

Points... Burn, wear, glaze and are generally unreliable. You have to replace them every year, which also means resetting the timing. Yes, you can replace them on the water. And with a system that prone to problems, you better learn how to do it, fast.
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Electronics... Set up and forget. No replacement necessary, timing doesn't drift with age, spark plugs last longer, faster starts, smoother running. If you're concerned about a failure leaving you stranded, throw a spare module in the kit. Just as easy to replace as a set of points.

I've had 'non points' in my boat since about 1994. The current engine is MPI, previous had Thunderbolt IV. In 24 years I haven't had a problem caused by the electronics. I've had 2 ignition problems, a leaky coil and a bad distributor ground, neither of which left me dead in the water. But I know a points system wouldn't have been able to cope as well with those problems and would have left me stranded. The original engine had points on a 165... Nothing but trouble. All the things I mentioned above...

The best upgrade anyone can do, ditch those troublesome points!

Chris....
 
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Scott Danforth

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My experience is the pertronix modules die.
 

achris

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My experience is the pertronix modules die.

And for every dead module there's a pile of dead points, and that pile is getting bigger... Statistics dicated that no system can be 100%, so on the back of a 0.001% failure rate of modules you'd advocate a return to a system with a 100% failure rate. Yes, points have a 100% failure rate. If you don't replace them, they are GUARANTEED to fail.

It drives me to tears constantly seeing intelligent people advocating to stay with a system proved to be unreliable and inefficient... Modern electronic ignition systems and fuel injection is the only way forward. The only way to get better efficiency and longer life. Modern cars have a lot less to service and are a lot more reliability. Spark plugs last longer, engines stay in tune, always. Not only that, they can deal with crappy fuel without blowing holes in your pistons. And given the right conditions, can advance the timing to areas points system can't even dream about!

The argument I constantly hear is, "but I can't service it". Bollocks! You had to buy the right tools and learn how to service points and carburettors, so buy the right tools and learn how to service modern EFI/MPI engines! It's not difficult, unless you want it to be...

In the 8 years my boat had the 165, I got towed in, three times! In the 24 years with electronics, never.

The ONLY time a points and carbed engine will trump an MPI/EFI is in an EMP attack. And trust me if that happens, the very last thing you'll be thinking is that you're glad you stayed with a hundred year old invention. :facepalm:

Chris...
 
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achris

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What is the best plugs, plug wires and plug gap to use on this enging. I upgraded the points to Pertronix and flame thrower 1 coil.

tks,
Ed

Hi Ed,

Sorry about the hijack and rant... Well done on the upgrade... Here's the specs for your engine. Just follow everything as it was before... (I prefer NGK, but that's probably because we can't get the ACs here. And I've never had a problem with NGK;))

Plug leads I'd use either OEM or aftermarket 8mm silicone...

Chris......

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Scott Danforth

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Chris, i have built efi systems, turbo systems, etc. However i also know how to set points, adjust single and multi carb setups, mechanical fuel systems and EFI.

My experience has been 90% of people experiencing issues with points dont understand them. Yes, they need servicing more often, however that is the nature with any open switch contact - contact arcing only lasts about 5 million cycles

Your argument that points have 100% failure rate is true. Everything man made does.

However, my experience has been 100% failure of pertronics kits. After the every one failing, simply put points back in to keep the motor going was required. The pertronixs kits have in the instructions to keep your points handy in event of a failure. the pertronix modules are a bandaid vs a complete electronic ignition dizzy. It isnt that i dont agree that EFI may be better in some ways, it does trade off some pros for some cons
 

Grub54891

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I installed petronics in my 1985 140. No problems in 5 years.
But when I removed the points plate, I bagged it, put silica packets in the bag, and have it stored onboard in a small Tupperware container. If the upgrade fails, I can simply put the points plate back in, and get home.
But that's just me.
 

Ed Harris

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Chris,

No problem on the hijack. I like reading about the pros and cons of differing systems. And if I like reading about them I am sure there are a lot of other people who enjoy reading about it.

Thanks for the replies,

Ed
 
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