1986 Johnson 110 VRO Charging Problem

Brookie

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Just bought this boat.. Motor runs good but boat needs some TLC. Previous owner said he had a new stator recently installed. Thought volt meter was faulty because it read 12V. Battery went dead (lucky it has 2). Noticed gauge read 13-14 when attached charger so it does work. I?m pretty handy with most mechanical / electrical things but have never even looked over an outboard until now. Can you provide some direction as to what points to check for power, starting from the stator?
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: 1986 Johnson 110 VRO Charging Problem

Your post confuses me somewhat. What exactly is the problem? Are you saying that the charging system is inoperative?

With one battery only connected, hook a volt meter across the battery terminals, make a note of the voltage reading. Start the engine. Does the voltage increase? If so, the charging system is functional.

Does the rig have a tachometer, and if so, does it operate? The tachometer operates off of the charging system.

The stator is a two function unit. The two large coils at the rear of the stator provide approximately 300v to the powerpack in order to energize the ignition. The series of smaller coils of the stator pertain to the charging system providing AC voltage to the rectifier which converts the voltage to DC in order to charge the battery.

What is that engine doing or not doing?
 

Daviet

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Re: 1986 Johnson 110 VRO Charging Problem

You might not notice voltage increase at idle, raise idle to 1500-2000.
 

Brookie

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Re: 1986 Johnson 110 VRO Charging Problem

The first time I used the boat I checked the gauges to see what worked. None of the trim, temp, tach, or volt meter appeared to be working. None of the gauges moved so I just figured I had a winter project?. Both batteries have plenty of power to start the engine independently after being charged with 110v charger. Even after setting for a week or two. However, the other day the battery I used to start the boat went dead after about an hour of running. At home (I trailer it) I put my battery charger on and turned the key to check the lights and noticed the volt meter moved to about 13.5v. That?s when I figured the meter was working and the charging system, be it a component or connection was not working. I wanted to start at the beginning, the stator, and work my way to the battery checking for charging voltage to see what was and was not working. I was hoping to get some terminal numbers or wire colors along with output values to guide me. I?m trying to determine if it is an output, regulation, or connection problem. Any help would be appreciated.

Brookie
 

emdsapmgr

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Re: 1986 Johnson 110 VRO Charging Problem

Your engine only consumes battery power when the starter is cranking or when you run the trim. The rest of the time the engine runs on the ignition coils on the stator. When you first start the engine, the boat voltmeter should read normal battery voltage of around 12.5 volts. As you run the engine, the voltmeter should show gradually higher voltage, perhaps up to 13.5 volts, indicating the stator is recharging the battery. It would help to get the tach operational. The tach gets it's signals from the charging side of the stator. If the charging side is working properly, a correctly-connected tach will function properly. If there is a problem with the charging side, the tach will malfunction or not work at all. The original factory service manual will indicate proper tests for stator operation.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: 1986 Johnson 110 VRO Charging Problem

Not sure if your engine has a water cooled regulator/rectifier or the smaller type rectifier. However, the "gray" wire leading from the tachometer is the sensor wire. This wire connects to the "yellow/gray" lead of the stator/rectifier. If no "gray/yellow" wire exists but rather two plain yellow wires, you'll find the "gray" wire attached to one of the yellow wires.

The following pertains to the smaller type rectifier. If you have the water cooled type, read further down.

(Small Rectifier Description & Location)
(J. Reeves)

On most 2,3,4,6 cylinder engines, the small rectifier is located on the starboard (right) side of the engine just in front of the engines electrical wiring strip. There are a few older V4 engines that have the wiring strip on the rear portion of the engine and the rectifier would be located just under that terminal strip. The smaller horsepower engines usually have the rectifier located on the starboard side of the powerhead close to the carburetor area.

The rectifier appears to be a round object approximately one inch (1") in diameter and also about one inch (1") high. The base of it is sort of triangular in appearance and is attached to the engine with two (2) screws/bolts..... usually one screw/bolt is larger than the other. The rectifier, depending on which one your engine uses, will have either:

One Red wire, one Yellow wire, and one Yellow/Gray wire, or One Red wire, and two Yellow wires.

Note that either of the above rectifiers could have a fourth wire which would be Yellow/Blue

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(Small Rectifier Test)
(J. Reeves)

Remove the rectifier wires from the terminal block. Using a ohm meter, connect the black lead of the ohm meter to the rectifier base (ground), then one by one, connect the red lead of the ohm meter to the yellow, yellow/gray, then the red wire (some rectifiers may also have a fourth yellow/blue wire. If so connect to that also). Now, reverse the ohm meter leads and check those same wires again. You should get a reading in one direction, and none at all in the other direction.

Now, connect the black lead of the ohm meter to the red wire. One by one, connect the red lead of the ohm meter to the yellow, yellow/gray, and if present, the yellow/blue wire. Then reverse the leads, checking the wires again. Once more, you should get a reading in one direction and none in the other.

Note that the reading obtained from the red rectifier wire will be lower then what is obtained from the other wires.

Any deviation from the "Reading", "No Reading" as above indicates a faulty rectifier. Note that a rectifier will not tolerate reverse polarity. Simply touching the battery with the cables in the reverse order or hooking up a battery charger backwards will blow the diodes in the rectifier assy immediately.

(Testing Tachometer With Water Cooled Regulator/Rectifier)
(J. Reeves)

A quick check is to simply plug in a another new tachometer as a piece of test equipment. If the new tach works properly and the old tach didn't, obviously the old tach is faulty.... but usually boaters don't carry around a spare tach (see below).

A faulty rectifier wouldn't damage the tachometer, the tachometer simply wouldn't work. This is due to the fact that the tachometer operates off of the charging system and the rectifier converts AC voltage to DC voltage, enabling the charging system. A faulty rectifier disables the charging system, and the tachometer simply doesn't register.

However.... those water cooled regulator/rectifiers that are used on the 35 ampere charging systems (and some others) bring into play a different type problem, and as you've probably found out, they are really a pain to troubleshoot via the proper procedure. There's an easier way.

The tachometer sending/receiving setup operates off of the gray wire at the tachometer. That same gray wire exists at the engine wiring harness which is connected to the engine electrical terminal strip. You'll see that there is a gray wire leading from the regulator/rectifier to that terminal strip, and that there is another gray wire attached to it. That other gray wire is the wire leading to the tachometer which is the one you're looking for.

NOTE: For the later models that DO NOT incorporate a wiring terminal strip, splicing into the "Yellow Wire" mentioned will be necessary.

Remove that gray wire that leads to the tachometer. Now, find the two (2) yellow wires leading from the stator to that terminal strip. Hopefully one of them is either yellow/gray or is connected to a yellow/gray wire at the terminal strip. If so, connect the gray wire you removed previously to that yellow/gray terminal. Start the engine and check the tachometers operation, and if the tachometer operates as it should, then the regulator/rectifier is faulty and will require replacing. If the tachometer is still faulty, replace the tachometer.

If neither of the yellow wires from the stator is yellow/gray, and neither is attached to a yellow/gray wire, then attach that gray tachometer wire to either yellow stator wire, then the other yellow wire, checking the tachometer operation on both connections.

I've found this method to be a quick and efficient way of finding out which component is faulty.... the tachometer or the regulator/rectifier. It sounds drawn out but really only takes a very short time to run through. If the water cooled regulator/rectifier proves to be faulty, don't put off replacing it as they have been known to catch on fire with disastrous consequences.
 

Brookie

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Re: 1986 Johnson 110 VRO Charging Problem

Gentlemen?.. Thanks a million for all the useful information. You have brought me up to speed fast. It?s apparent you all have much information and provide it freely. It?s going to be up to a week before I can put any of this to use, but I owe you either a thumbs up or another plea for more information. This was my first visit to this site and it was very informative and helpful.

Thanks again
Brookie
 

Brookie

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Re: 1986 Johnson 110 VRO Charging Problem

A big Thank You to Mr. Reeves for the EZ test procedure for my rectifier / regulator. I disconnected the gray tach wire from the term. strip and connected it to both of the yellow wires, separately, from the stator. The tach registered and varied with revving of the motor. I?m now shopping the iboat site for a rectifier/regulator. I found CDI, Sierra, and Mallory. Would you recommend one over the others??

Thanks again

Brookie
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: 1986 Johnson 110 VRO Charging Problem

I'll pass and leave this recommendation section to others as I've always used the OMC brand. However, glad to see that you found the problem.
 
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