1986 Johnson 110HP Heating/Cooling Issues

mrmamiller

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Rather than open an old thread, I thought I'd start over, now that I've had my motor on the water rather than just muffs.

I'm having cooling/heating issues with a 1986 Johnson 110HP motor. I am the original owner and the motor has been used in fresh water only and has seen virtually no sand or dirt.

Currently, I have engine temps which are too low. The motor had major cylinder work at a BRP authorized service marina 1 1/2 years ago, after which I had intermittent overheat alarms. I recently took the motor back to have the intermittent overheat problems diagnosed and repaired. They replace the thermostats/gaskets ONLY, according to their bill. Now, I have temperatures which appear too low. I am monitoring head temps with attached thermocouples with a digital readout as well as with an infrared gun. Temps from the two measurement types agree.

In the water at 600 RPM idle, temps never exceed 112 (port) and 113 (stbd). At 4800 RPM, 39 MPH for 1 minute, temps are 120 (port) and 126 (stbd). Temps drop back down to 110-113 degrees when running at idle speed in gear.

Visible water indications are a pee stream with good force and water spray coming out the holes directly beneath the motor cowling.

When running on muffs for 1 minute, temps around 99 degrees, I noticed that water comes out the holes directly above the anti-cavitation plate. As I recall, water never used to come out these holes until the motor had reached thermostat temperature (140 degrees).

On muffs, I used the IR gun to monitor head/block temps in a variety of locations to see if there were any hot/cold spots and nothing exceptional was found. I was suspecting deflector problems during the motor rebuild.

I am leaving soon for a fishing trip and don't really have much time to effect a repair if it is needed, so I am wondering if I am doing much harm by running low temps. I suspect I only need to worry about excessive carbon build-up at low speed. (The 110HP will mostly be used for high speed operation). After my trip, I expect I will need to get this resolved.

My current thought is that the relief valves are stuck or were left out.

Any thoughts? Thank you.
 

clanton

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Re: 1986 Johnson 110HP Heating/Cooling Issues

I would guess problem is with relief valve stuck open. The valves always need the hole in the block cleaned and new rubber grommets. The valve should then be hand fitted, you can sand the vanes off to get a good fit.
 

mrmamiller

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Re: 1986 Johnson 110HP Heating/Cooling Issues

Any idea if I am doing harm to the engine if it is always running at 110 degrees? I plan on doing a lot of trolling at low speed, as in the past. Never was a problem before, but I'm guessing I was running at thermostat temp then. Thank you.
 

boobie

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Re: 1986 Johnson 110HP Heating/Cooling Issues

If you use it for one trip you should be okay. But get it fixed asap after that.
 

emdsapmgr

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Re: 1986 Johnson 110HP Heating/Cooling Issues

Agree that it is running cold at idle. You've made some good assumptions about the possible stat and pressure relief valves issues. Could also be some debris in the the stats (weeds, sand) that is holding them open, or the nylon pressure relief valves could be heat warped and allowing extra cooling water through. Long-term a cold-running engine will accumulate carbon around the ringsets and piston skirts. This can lead to other bad things on a long-term basis. Your fuel economy may not be quite as good. Won't hurt to go on your single trip, but good to tend to it sooner rather than later. Once the engine gets up on plane, the incoming water pressure will force open the pressure relief valves in the thermostat housing. Once this happens, the extra cooling water will cause the head temps to decrease significantly. If it idles at 145-155, the temps could easily decrease to 120 or lower when on plane. That's normal. Even lower if you are in cold water (early spring or late fall.) Once you return to idle, the cyl head temps should go back to 145-155. From your technical description, I'd say the water deflectors in the block are ok. If you were overheating, they would be suspect.
 

mrmamiller

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Re: 1986 Johnson 110HP Heating/Cooling Issues

I recently made up a list of symptoms and temperature data from my on-water tests (go to top of thread) and sent them off to my mechanic. I talked to the the mechanic this morning and he says that he talked to OMC (probably BRP) about the fact that the motor runs cold (approx 100 to 110 degrees at idle) and supposedly OMC says that it is not a problem at all. Mechanic says that I should go ahead and run the motor as usual and if it were a problem, I would notice the engine loading up and would notice excessive smoke and rough idle.

Any comments or thoughts out there? Thanks for any input, Mark
 
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