1987 1750 bayliner capri (newb)

[smokeonthewater]

Re: 1987 1750 bayliner capri (newb)

I MAY have overlooked it but I didn't see the most important detail... how much 'moneys'?
If we're talking $600 then yeah go for it and consider it disposable..... If we're talking $6000 then no way in 'ell'

 

[HCMQA]

Re: 1987 1750 bayliner capri (newb)

Good looking boat.
If it is under $1k and you can sea trial it. It would be a fine boat to learn with for a couple/few years then basically give/throw away.

To answer your question about a re-power. It would cost way more than the boats total worth.

Still you would be better served to find the same boat with a 3.0 merc to learn on.

 

[Silvertip]

Re: 1987 1750 bayliner capri (newb)

ok, I know it might kind of a stupid question, but what about upgrading the motor if this one takes a crap? Honestly, we really like the style of the boat. I still havent seen it in person yet. The interior looks to be in great condition. The seller said to has low hours and he has had it for 10 years. What are some obvious things to look out for on this or any first time boat?

Think about what you just asked. The 2.3 L is a Ford engine. What would you replace it with. Four cylinder GM engines do not share bell housing patterns with Ford. The engines mount differently. Accessories bolted to the engine mount differently. Exhaust plumbing is different, and depending on what engine you did try to adapt, very likely the outdrive gearing would need to be changed. You are letting "emotions" and your eyes get in the way of rational thinking. Yes - with enough money and time you can transplant most any engine into any boat. But why buy a problematic boat to start with knowing you would likely spend much more on a conversion than a more current design would cost in the first place. Why do you think older Bayliners are generally so much cheaper than other boats? Nobody wants them come to mind? And they don't want them why?????? Even older outboard powered boats lost their luster very early because they were cheap to start with so they appealed to the first-time boat owner. Those owners quickly sold them because they were generally underpowered and quickly developed a resale issue. Experienced boats knew about the issues. The boat looks nice. I would say if you are VERY mechanically inclined, kow how to scavange for parts, know that Ford engine intimately and know the outdrive in the same manner go for it. But be aware that you have a piggy bank with lots of cash in it. And also make sure you don't plan trips where time is of importance because a failure in either the engine or drive is a time consuming repair due to availability of parts.

 

[ricohman]

Re: 1987 1750 bayliner capri (newb)

I'm also a mechanic and I've worked on countless 2.3 Fords.
That said, what seems to be the big problem with this engine in a marine application?
I've seen a multitude 2.3's with well over 300 000km. And these motors are well known in the sandrail hoobby as well as a popular choice for repowering old British cars. I'd rather have a 2.3 Ford than an iron duke any day.

 

[Bondo]

Re: 1987 1750 bayliner capri (newb)

I'm also a mechanic and I've worked on countless 2.3 Fords.
That said, what seems to be the big problem with this engine in a marine application?
I've seen a multitude 2.3's with well over 300 000km. And these motors are well known in the sandrail hoobby as well as a popular choice for repowering old British cars. I'd rather have a 2.3 Ford than an iron duke any day.

Ayuh,... The Parts that turn that pickup motor, into a boat motor,...
Can't be Bought... Anywhere,... except Used...

ok, I know it might kind of a stupid question, but what about upgrading the motor if this one takes a crap?

Sure,... For between $5,000.00 'n $10,000.00.....
That's for a Pulleys to Prop swap, which you would Have to do...

 

[hostage]

Re: 1987 1750 bayliner capri (newb)

I agree with all that has been said on this forum. As far as the styling you like, I would highly advise you to take a look at other boats, there are a lot of nice boats out there that won't give you this many headaches down the road. The more you look, the less nice this will look.

 

[ricohman]

Re: 1987 1750 bayliner capri (newb)

Ayuh,... The Parts that turn that pickup motor, into a boat motor,...
Can't be Bought... Anywhere,... except Used...



Sure,... For between $5,000.00 'n $10,000.00.....
That's for a Pulleys to Prop swap, which you would Have to do...

I understand the manifolds are different but are any internal parts different? And of these, which is the big failure of the 2.3 in this application?
I'm not saying its good to buy an obsolete drive train, I'm just curious as to why the 2.3 is failing in marine life.

 

[Philster]

Re: 1987 1750 bayliner capri (newb)

WHY? 2.3's are old. Marine engines have a hard life. Maybe if we had some from this millennium to look at and consider, we might be able to compare a newer 2.3 from Ford to a similar Chevy offering.

 

[ricohman]

Re: 1987 1750 bayliner capri (newb)

WHY? 2.3's are old. Marine engines have a hard life. Maybe if we had some from this millennium to look at and consider, we might be able to compare a newer 2.3 from Ford to a similar Chevy offering.

OK. So they fail because they have untold running hours. I thought the failure of this motor in this application was due to design or some kind of mechanical failure as that was the way it sounded.

 

[smokeonthewater]

Re: 1987 1750 bayliner capri (newb)

I understand the manifolds are different but are any internal parts different? And of these, which is the big failure of the 2.3 in this application?
I'm not saying its good to buy an obsolete drive train, I'm just curious as to why the 2.3 is failing in marine life.

starter, alternator, distributor, water pump, coupler, among others.... the OMC outdrive and ALL of it's parts are also obsolete. everything that is not fiberglass or the engine's long block is specific to OMC. The engine itself isn't really a huge problem but the rest of the drive system just isn't currently supported.

 

[Philster]

Re: 1987 1750 bayliner capri (newb)

OK. So they fail because they have untold running hours. I thought the failure of this motor in this application was due to design or some kind of mechanical failure as that was the way it sounded.

Old, smaller converted car motors, even in smaller boats, had a terrible set of odds stacked against them.

First, they weren't exactly powerhouses in cars, let alone boats, where the issue was magnified.

Second, they fell into the hands of people who were the least likely to care for them (entry level owners).

Fast forward 25 years and what it takes is a modern 3.0 liter power plant to be 'sufficient'. So, a 2.3 of that era had a hard life with owners who weren't likely to keep up with it, and it was probably living life being under-powered in almost all its applications.


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[Silvertip]

Re: 1987 1750 bayliner capri (newb)

Let's start with just a few potential parts searches:

1) Marine fuel pump
2) Marine carb
3) Marine gaskets (single or complete set)
4) Marine rebuild parts (individual or complete kit)
5) Engine coupler
6) Engine mount
7) Marine water pump
8) Marine ignitiion system
9) Marine starter
10) Marine alternator
11) The art deco display is cool -- check Great Lakes Skipper to see if replacements are available and how much!

Those are just the engine: Move to the outdrive -- lots of spendy parts in there.

I actually looked and find a very high number of parts are no longer avaialble. Yes -- perhaps you get lucky and find some used parts but chances are those about ready to give up as well. Things like alternators and power steering pumps from other applications can be adapted but once again, if you have to pay to have this done or have no way to fabricate the various adapters then this again becomes a very unwise purchase. Think this through carefully and actuall research parts availability. And as you do that, concentrate on the stuff that would be impossible to make or adapt. Such as what happens when a lower gear case housing is destoyed. My sources show an exhaust manifold is no longer avaialable. Just being the devils advocate here. Hate to see you with a nice boat sitting in the yard that you can't use and a significant other yelling at you because y0u bought that piece of ---- (well lets leave it at that).

 

[mikep.]

Re: 1987 1750 bayliner capri (newb)

Well, you guys convinced me. I just broke the news to the seller. Genuinely feel like a ****.
Thoughts on a 1990 sea ray 210br 350merc?

 

[jdlough]

Re: 1987 1750 bayliner capri (newb)

Well, you guys convinced me. I just broke the news to the seller. Genuinely feel like a ****.
Thoughts on a 1990 sea ray 210br 350merc?

You ****!

OK, you over it now?

 

[ezmobee]

Re: 1987 1750 bayliner capri (newb)

I wanna know what he was asking for that Bayliner.

 

[DuckHunterJon]

Re: 1987 1750 bayliner capri (newb)

I wanna know what he was asking for that Bayliner.

Exactly, back to the $600 or $6000 question from above?

 

[mikep.]

Re: 1987 1750 bayliner capri (newb)

The seller wanted 3500. I got him down to 2400 with extras and trailer.

 

[smokeonthewater]

Re: 1987 1750 bayliner capri (newb)

Well, you guys convinced me. I just broke the news to the seller. Genuinely feel like a ****.
Thoughts on a 1990 sea ray 210br 350merc?

DETAILS MAN... we need details..... pics, and PRICE!

so far it's a maybe.... 350merc or actually that would be a 260 would be a great choice.... but give us the specifics

 

[ezmobee]

Re: 1987 1750 bayliner capri (newb)

smoke, I believe he was responding about the Bayliner.

 

[Philster]

Re: 1987 1750 bayliner capri (newb)

Well, you guys convinced me. I just broke the news to the seller. Genuinely feel like a ****.
Thoughts on a 1990 sea ray 210br 350merc?

Nice.