1987 80hp Carb damage

DblEagle

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Outboard : 1987 3cyl 2 stroke 80HP Mercury
engine s/n A724272 made in Canada
Carbs 3301-9012 WME-1's

Issue : in gear on water advancing the throttle from zero to half throttle the rpms do not increase. If the throttle is advanced any further the engine gently stumbles once and stalls.
Outboard does not have a traditional choke, it has an electronic enrichener system that squirts gas past the carbs when the key is pressed in.
If I leave the throttle at the point just before it stalls (half way) basically idleing then bump the key, the boat jumps up onto a plane and will accelerate to WOT.
History
Inherited this outboard from my dad who lost confidence in it after having his mechanic throw parts at it (all electronics replaced but had intermittent issue where the motor would not run past 1800 rpms.) . I found the float needles were the old rubber tipped ones that had ethonal issues and they were sticking and causing fuel starvation.

After rebuilding carbs with new kits the boat starts easy (for a 3 looper) but doesn't seem to want to accelerate unless the key is bumped until the high speed jets kick in.

Pulled the carbs off again, soaked and meticulously cleaned and blown through. The carbs have the emulsion tube that extends down into the bowl, and a smaller tube within the emulsion that goes to the very top of the carb. One of the smaller tubes on the middle carb doesn't extend quite as far down as the other two carbs and it looks like it has been pushed too far up into the top of the carb and someone has used a slot screwdriver to try to push it back down causing a notch to be put into the brass small tube. I have attached a photo of the top damaged part of this tube. Could this cause the symptoms I have described? I don't want to put it all back together, check timing and link and sync if I will be taking it apart to put in a replacement carb anyways.
Sorry for the long post
thank you
Graham
 

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Faztbullet

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No as they are fuel passage at idle whicjh you say is good. These are submerged in the bowl
 

tommarvin

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Hi, good for you toclean rebuild the carbs.
She still sounds starved for fuel mid range and up.
No disrespect, its not that easy to clean and rebuild carbs,lots of people screw it up the first time, thats why we have twin EFI,we come home on the other motor, this is about you not me.
Remove the carbs,sit at a table, pour your favorite beverage, take a chill pill focus remove all the parts every single part.Watch all the you tube videos on carb rebuilding i mean every video,never watch one you tube video and go for it.
Push a wire through every hole opening, blow it out with commpressed air.
if you destroy a gasket you have to get a new gasket, why it sounds like you may have a air leak in a carb.
 

GA_Boater

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Tommy - If DblEagle watches every carb rebuild video on YouTube, we will never see him again. Can you give any hints?

Welcome aboard, DblEagle.

It looks like you know your way around the carbs. Sounds like some little thing is holding the transition back. All I can suggest is soak and clean again. Probably a dirt speck in the somewhere.
 

DblEagle

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Compression is top to bottom 114 - 116 - 116

The air leak is something I'm looking at. Primer bulb pumps hard and stays firm. The carb rebuild kits only come with the big gasket between the carb and block, so last time I used felpro fuel rated gasket paper and made my own gaskets for between the carb and the attenuator plate, they are super thin and shiny now as if soaked by fuel, I obviously used the wrong gasket material. But I don't think an air leak on that side of the carb would affect the vacuum enough to not accelerate.

One thing I forgot to mention earlier. When I said I can move the throttle to half power and the rpms don't increase unless I push in the key. Pressing the key would get the rpms to near WOT, but I'm pretty sure that I had to keep bumping it to stay on a plane.

Waiting for my carb rebuild kits and mercury attenuator gaskets to come in at the dealer, then try to set everything as close to factory and see what happens
 
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