1988 Johnson 90hp got stuck in the mud

montauk1

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1988 Johnson 90hp got stuck in the mud, really overheated started burning white smoke. Obviously it wont start right now, does anybody have a list of things to start checking before I bring it to the shop.

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Will Bark

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Re: 1988 Johnson 90hp got stuck in the mud

If the motor will turn over check your compression; probably wont't find any and that means a complete rebuild of the powerhead.:eek:
 

outdoorsman10

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Re: 1988 Johnson 90hp got stuck in the mud

Pull the spark plugs and spray some Seafoam or similar lubricant into the cylinders to help break them free first, then spin it over by hand.
 

montauk1

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Re: 1988 Johnson 90hp got stuck in the mud

Compression test:
#1 = 40psi
#2 = 90psi
#3 = 75psi
#4 = 90psi
So there is a little compression,, before the motor ran perfect, I think the compression was 115-125 on all 4 does that sound right. What should I do next?
 

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Re: 1988 Johnson 90hp got stuck in the mud

Remove cylinder heads, carefully clean/resurface the sealing areas of the heads and block (crankcase). Replace the water deflectors as instructed below.

Install new head gaskets and torque the bolts down to 18 to 20 foot pounds in the following sequence:

9....10
5.....6
1.....2
4.....3
8.....7

Nearly all of the rest of the powerhead bolts will be loose due to the extreme heat.... tighten all of them as needed.

Install new Champion QL77JC4 spark plugs, gapped to .040 .

(Water Deflectors)
(J. Reeves)

Water deflectors are actually lengths of 3/8" outside diameter rubber hose, installed between the top cylinder and any cylinder beneath it, and also between the bottom cylinder and the block. The purpose of the deflectors is to have the water follow a definite path around the cylinder walls. Unfortunately the deflectors between the cylinders will at times swell sideways due to either a previous bad overheating problem, or simply due to age and salt corrosion. This causes a water flow restriction which usually allows the water to cool sufficently at low rpms but not at the higher rpms.

This hose material can be purchased reasonably at any automotive parts type store if you care to make your own, or you can purchase individual deflectors at any Evinrude/Johnson dealership at a somewhat higher cost.

Removing and installing them can be a hassle at times, but not always. I use a sharply pointed scribe with about 1/4" of the tip bent at a right angle whereas I can reach in, jab the tip sideways into the rubber, then yank it out. It's necessary to clean the seating surfaces where the ruber contacts the block with a small rat tail file to eliminate salt deposits etc. When installing the new rubber deflector, coat the deflector and the metal surfaces with WD40 which will act as lubrication to allow it to go in as easily as possible.

Make sure that you insert something into that deflector area before cutting and installing the deflectors if you make your own so that you will be certain that they are the right length and also that they will be seated properly. Usually a very small amount will be left extending about the block sealing area..... simply cut the excess off with a single edge razor blade.

Drop the lower unit and have a complete water pump kit (everything) installed. Make sure that you do not turn the shift rod as its height adjustmment is extremely critical.

Your overheat warning horn should have come on befor the engine was hot enough to do any damage. If this warning horn did not sound..... correct that problem before running the engine again.
 

montauk1

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Re: 1988 Johnson 90hp got stuck in the mud

Ok, I removed the cylinder heads, my neighbor came over and felt the cylinders and he seems to think that they are a little ruff, one of the head gasket metal ring was totally damaged, he seems to think I need to do a complete rebuild on it. Also the first plate that is removed has (i think) some sort of paper gasket film that is some what puffy, at first I thought it was cooked on mud but it is just crumbling off as you pick at it. What about that?

What you think?
 

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Re: 1988 Johnson 90hp got stuck in the mud

Are the cyl walls scratched or gouged? can you catch the scratches with a finger nail?
Otherwise follow Joe's directions and retest compression.
 

montauk1

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Re: 1988 Johnson 90hp got stuck in the mud

To be honest I can feel a little tiny bit with my finger nail but not much, , I would not call them scratched or gouged, one cyl feels like it has a little oxidation feel in a small are, the other three feel fine, what about the first plate I took off with the baked on mud or papery flacky stuff?
 

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Re: 1988 Johnson 90hp got stuck in the mud

also take your thermostat housing off and back flush water in there to get any residual mud out
 

montauk1

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Re: 1988 Johnson 90hp got stuck in the mud

Hello Joe,

I had a few more questions, My skeg was also damaged, I wont to rebuild the water pump but can I find a complete rebuilt lower unit or should I just procced and have the skeg repaired? Also as I mentioned before, the first plate of the head I removed with 10 bolts or so, on the inside face it has some kind of insulation, is this correct or is it just residual that has built up? Is the cover supposed to be perfectly smooth on the inside?
 

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Re: 1988 Johnson 90hp got stuck in the mud

What extent of damage to the skeg? It's only there to protect the prop. Best fix is to find a welder who has done this before and have him weld a piece of aluminum to the remains of the skeg. Should be under $100.

The cover should be smooth and installs with a thin gasket.
 

montauk1

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Re: 1988 Johnson 90hp got stuck in the mud

OK, took Joe Reeves advice, compression is still way low on all 4 cyls, My neigbor and I are goin to take on a power head rebuild via my Repair Manual, should be interesting and a great way to learn. In the mean time I am wanting to re power my 17' Montauk. My first two choices are the 2011 90hp Evinrude or the 2011 90 hp Honda. Any advice on the re build would be awsome, and your opinions on th re power on the Montauk would be great!!

Chris
 

jrs_diesel

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Re: 1988 Johnson 90hp got stuck in the mud

The 90 HP E-tec is what I would choose. It weighs less than the Honda BF90. The BF90 is a four stroke, the Evinrude is a direct injected 2 stroke. Runs very clean, no smoke, and runs strong.

As for the rebuild, get a service manual, and take your time and have fun with it.
 
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