1989 GM 3.0 OMC rough idle then dies - HELP!!!!

seasnake

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we put a new distributer, plugs, firing order is checked, compression is checked, carberator has been checked. we cant figure out what else could be making the engine start and then idle rough and then die. wont stay running. Please anybody, any ideas???
 

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Re: 1989 GM 3.0 OMC rough idle then dies - HELP!!!!

fuel filters?? is it electronic ignition or conventional (points) ignition?? set dwell?? set timing??
 

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Re: 1989 GM 3.0 OMC rough idle then dies - HELP!!!!

conventional -timing has been set, dwell has been set and brand new fuel straight to the carberator.
 

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Re: 1989 GM 3.0 OMC rough idle then dies - HELP!!!!

will it run at all? at off idle when it does fire or are you just letting it try to idle upon initial start-up?
 

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Re: 1989 GM 3.0 OMC rough idle then dies - HELP!!!!

yes it does run - upon starting it does idle rough for just a minute and then it dies. the longest we had it running is about 5 minutes but it was idling rough and when you give it gas it dies
 

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Re: 1989 GM 3.0 OMC rough idle then dies - HELP!!!!

sounds like you need to go through every part of the igntion system again, systematically, then when you are absolutley sure it is right check it again.

you said carb was checked, what does this mean? rebuilt? or making sure fuel is getting into the bowl, intitial setup of the idle mixture screws, choke setup/operation?

if you put fuel directly into the float bowl, does it run for a bit then die??
 

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Re: 1989 GM 3.0 OMC rough idle then dies - HELP!!!!

Interesting coincidence! My '86 is doing the exact same thing.
Just spent a couple hours out in the driveway trying to figure it out.
On mine, the problem has been hard to diagnose, since the engine needs to run for a while before the trouble occurs. We put it in the lake on Sunday and started right up. First time out this season. No sign of a problem until high speed run across the lake to our favorite spot. as I throttle down to idle the engine died, but we just threw out the anchor and fished a couple of hours.
When it was time to go home ,the throttle had to be opened about halfway to get the boat running,(thought it might be flooded from percolation) and it died going into gear. Restarted, got into gear, and headed back to the dock without any noticeable trouble, until attempting to idle.
I wanted to let the engine idle a little before approaching the dock and see if it was stable, in case I needed to pop it into reverse. Engine died.
I disconnected the connector for the ESA switches to eliminate a possible input, and it had no effect.
Once the engine died, I could barely get it started, and it wouldn't run well at any speed. After 10 minutes of monkey business, we got the boat to the dock. Smelled raw fuel (from the exhaust). No sign of flooding or fumes in the bilge. I'm thinking that it's definitely an intermittent ignition problem, and I'm betting on the ESA module at this time. When I fired it up on the muffs this evening, it ran perfectly at first. Ran at fast idle for about 5 minutes (making sure I had plenty of cooling water flow). When I returned to idle, it started missing progressively worse over the next few minutes and then died.
I installed new points and condenser, dwell set to 30 degrees, timing set to 4 Degrees BTDC, idle speed 800 RPM. Running great. adjust idle mixture screws-running smooth. I raised up the idle for about 5 minutes and throttled back down- still running good. Engine temp normal, ignition coil cool to the touch, etc. Suddenly, the misfiring started up again. I hooked my timing light up to the coil wire, so I could watch it pulse on every firing, and it doesn't light while the engine misses, and/or dies. I am going to check my wiring diagram, and run a test tomorrow by disconnecting the ESA module from the coil, as I believe that it must short out internally. I'll post the results. I'm not putting it back in the water until I'm satisfied that I have found the cause.
 

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Re: 1989 GM 3.0 OMC rough idle then dies - HELP!!!!

we have have rebuilt the carb and checked it twice, it appear to be functioning properly. It will run more than one float bowl full of gas. we have triple checked the timing and ignition. maybe we need to check the point gap?? cant imagine that this could be the issue. set it at .018 inches. curiouse could it be a possible burnt valve?
 

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Re: 1989 GM 3.0 OMC rough idle then dies - HELP!!!!

Burnt valve should cause a constant miss on one cylinder, but it will run on 3 cylinders.
 

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Re: 1989 GM 3.0 OMC rough idle then dies - HELP!!!!

even with good compression? we checked compression on all cylinders - all were good they were with in normal range
 

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Re: 1989 GM 3.0 OMC rough idle then dies - HELP!!!!

Hi, I am betting its a choke issue. Keep me posted. Mine was doing the same and I found the 2 screws that mount the choke on were loose and the spring inside was not positioned properly. Hope this helps.
 

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Re: 1989 GM 3.0 OMC rough idle then dies - HELP!!!!

seasnake- Did you ever figure it out?
 
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