1991 Johnson 200hp Air Silencer help needed...

fish2day

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Re: 1991 Johnson 200hp Air Silencer help needed...

i have the same problem... 225hp carbs on a 200hp. runs like crap. 1986 200stlcdr.
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The followup on my 1991 Johnson 200hp is that it had the wrong carbs on it which was causing flooding. I replaced the carbs and it ran great with much improved gas milage. Thanks to all that helped me find this problem that was driving me crazy.

But, now I have another. I ran it all day this weekend and everything was great until I took it out of the water. I noticed smoke coming out of the cowel while sitting on the trailor pulling out of the water. I removed the cowel and the Powerpack had caught on fire. It melted due to it getting so hot.
Is this a problem within the powerpack? or did something else cause this?? Advice needed.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: 1991 Johnson 200hp Air Silencer help needed...

In all probability, the water cooled voltage regulator/rectifier failed. The powerpack sits directly above it. Normally the tachometer acts up before that problem is encountered... a test to determine if the tach or the regulator is at fault follows... a moot test it would seem right now but one that might be good to remember.

(Testing Tachometer With Water Cooled Regulator/Rectifier)
(J. Reeves)

A quick check is to simply plug in a another new tachometer as a piece of test equipment. If the new tach works properly and the old tach didn't, obviously the old tach is faulty.... but usually boaters don't carry around a spare tach (see below).

A faulty rectifier wouldn't damage the tachometer, the tachometer simply wouldn't work. This is due to the fact that the tachometer operates off of the charging system and the rectifier converts AC voltage to DC voltage, enabling the charging system. A faulty rectifier disables the charging system, and the tachometer simply doesn't register.

However.... those water cooled regulator/rectifiers that are used on the 35 ampere charging systems (and some others) bring into play a different type problem, and as you've probably found out, they are really a pain to troubleshoot via the proper procedure. There's an easier way.

The tachometer sending/receiving setup operates off of the gray wire at the tachometer. That same gray wire exists at the engine wiring harness which is connected to the engine electrical terminal strip. You'll see that there is a gray wire leading from the regulator/rectifier to that terminal strip, and that there is another gray wire attached to it. That other gray wire is the wire leading to the tachometer which is the one you're looking for.

NOTE: For the later models that DO NOT incorporate a wiring terminal strip, splicing into the "Yellow Wire" mentioned will be necessary.

Remove that gray wire that leads to the tachometer. Now, find the two (2) yellow wires leading from the stator to that terminal strip. Hopefully one of them is either yellow/gray or is connected to a yellow/gray wire at the terminal strip. If so, connect the gray wire you removed previously to that yellow/gray terminal. Start the engine and check the tachometers operation, and if the tachometer operates as it should, then the regulator/rectifier is faulty and will require replacing. If the tachometer is still faulty, replace the tachometer.

If neither of the yellow wires from the stator is yellow/gray, and neither is attached to a yellow/gray wire, then attach that gray tachometer wire to either yellow stator wire, then the other yellow wire, checking the tachometer operation on both connections.

I've found this method to be a quick and efficient way of finding out which component is faulty.... the tachometer or the regulator/rectifier. It sounds drawn out but really only takes a very short time to run through. If the water cooled regulator/rectifier proves to be faulty, don't put off replacing it as they have been known to catch on fire with disastrous consequences.
 

fish2day

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Re: 1991 Johnson 200hp Air Silencer help needed...

Thanks for the very through help. My Tach had already stopped working but I thought it was just a bad Tach. I cannot do any test now because it burned the Regulator/Rectifier up. I will need to replace the Powerpack and the Reg/Rectifier as well as the Powerpack bracket.
Do you think the Stator is damaged? Thanks for the help.

In all probability, the water cooled voltage regulator/rectifier failed. The powerpack sits directly above it. Normally the tachometer acts up before that problem is encountered... a test to determine if the tach or the regulator is at fault follows... a moot test it would seem right now but one that might be good to remember.

(Testing Tachometer With Water Cooled Regulator/Rectifier)
(J. Reeves)

A quick check is to simply plug in a another new tachometer as a piece of test equipment. If the new tach works properly and the old tach didn't, obviously the old tach is faulty.... but usually boaters don't carry around a spare tach (see below).

A faulty rectifier wouldn't damage the tachometer, the tachometer simply wouldn't work. This is due to the fact that the tachometer operates off of the charging system and the rectifier converts AC voltage to DC voltage, enabling the charging system. A faulty rectifier disables the charging system, and the tachometer simply doesn't register.

However.... those water cooled regulator/rectifiers that are used on the 35 ampere charging systems (and some others) bring into play a different type problem, and as you've probably found out, they are really a pain to troubleshoot via the proper procedure. There's an easier way.

The tachometer sending/receiving setup operates off of the gray wire at the tachometer. That same gray wire exists at the engine wiring harness which is connected to the engine electrical terminal strip. You'll see that there is a gray wire leading from the regulator/rectifier to that terminal strip, and that there is another gray wire attached to it. That other gray wire is the wire leading to the tachometer which is the one you're looking for.

NOTE: For the later models that DO NOT incorporate a wiring terminal strip, splicing into the "Yellow Wire" mentioned will be necessary.

Remove that gray wire that leads to the tachometer. Now, find the two (2) yellow wires leading from the stator to that terminal strip. Hopefully one of them is either yellow/gray or is connected to a yellow/gray wire at the terminal strip. If so, connect the gray wire you removed previously to that yellow/gray terminal. Start the engine and check the tachometers operation, and if the tachometer operates as it should, then the regulator/rectifier is faulty and will require replacing. If the tachometer is still faulty, replace the tachometer.

If neither of the yellow wires from the stator is yellow/gray, and neither is attached to a yellow/gray wire, then attach that gray tachometer wire to either yellow stator wire, then the other yellow wire, checking the tachometer operation on both connections.

I've found this method to be a quick and efficient way of finding out which component is faulty.... the tachometer or the regulator/rectifier. It sounds drawn out but really only takes a very short time to run through. If the water cooled regulator/rectifier proves to be faulty, don't put off replacing it as they have been known to catch on fire with disastrous consequences.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: 1991 Johnson 200hp Air Silencer help needed...

Thanks for the very through help. My Tach had already stopped working but I thought it was just a bad Tach. I cannot do any test now because it burned the Regulator/Rectifier up. I will need to replace the Powerpack and the Reg/Rectifier as well as the Powerpack bracket. Do you think the Stator is damaged? Thanks for the help.

I would hold off on replacing the stator UNLESS it has been damaged by fire OR if either of the two large black coils have been leaking a sticky looking substance down on the powerhead area. Those two coils are the beginning of the ignition system, providing approximately 300v AC to the powerpack capacitor. When they start to melt down, a voltage drop takes place which results in weak, erratic, and eventually no ignition. So look the stator over.... and then, judge accordingly.

Be sure to torque the flywheel nut to factory specifications.... my memory rings to 145 foot pounds.
 

fish2day

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Re: 1991 Johnson 200hp Air Silencer help needed...

The top of the powerhead has sticky black goue running down it, but ut appears to be from the melted plastic cover on the power head. Now that you have brought this to my attention, I will closely inspect.
 
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