1996 OMC Optical Ignition

Scoot

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Working on a 1996 Johnson 175 (J175SLEDB) with optical ignition system. Took for test run yesterday, owner says was cutting out as if turning ignition off. Had to run it over 3 miles to get it to cut out. No problems with primer bulb collapsing, pumping primer during cutout makes no impact. Engine will sometimes pick right back up and run perfect, sometimes not.

If engine dies completely, will start and run great after 5 minutes or so. Checked block temp with IR temp gauge immediately after stalling, highest temp I could find anywhere on powerhead was about 140 degrees.

Usually cuts out when running anywhere between 3500-4500 rpm. Noticed that sometimes if I hit WOT as it's starting to cut out, it will pick up and run fine for a while before eventually dying. Also noticed that once it starts to cut out, if you hit trim switch it acts like ignition was switched off...let off trim and engine picks back up. Once engine sits for 5-10 minutes and starts back up, trim operation has no effect. Battery is fairly new, never fails to start engine, trim works perfectly whether engine is running or not.

I've never messed with optical systems before. Almost seems to be acting like a voltage drain is causing some type of misfire, like on an old CD iginition system from pre-73 models that needed a hot battery to run...but the battery's in good shape.

I suspect a bad power pack, but would rather not spend the money just to find out something else is wrong.

Just to sum up:

Runs great for 20 minutes @3500-4500 rpm, then starts to cut out (sometimes completely, other times dropping 2-3 cylinders.

If engine drops 2-3 cylinders, running power trim will kill engine.

If engine drops 2-3 cylinders, hitting WOT will make it hit on all 6 for a few more minutes, after which engine shuts down completely.

Engine block temps well within operating range at time of shutdown, pumping plenty of water out of tattletale.

If engine dies, will start and run perfectly after about 5 minutes.

Tachometer is reading correctly all the time (in the old days, if your charging system fails, no tach, not sure if that applies here)

Problem does not seem to be fuel system related.

Any feed back would be great!
 

Faztbullet

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Re: 1996 OMC Optical Ignition

What is battery voltage and is it overcharging?
 

clanton

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Re: 1996 OMC Optical Ignition

First guess, power pack, along with the ignition coils.
 

clanton

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If you have a meter check pack output to coils when engine misfires.
 

Scoot

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Re: 1996 OMC Optical Ignition

Voltage test results (running engine on flusher):

Before starting engine (2 days since last run): 12.7v

While cranking cold engine: around 11.5v

1100 rpm: 13.6v

3500+ rpm: 14.7v

back down to 1100 rpm: 13.9v

Checked with inexpensive digital multimeter. Can this meter be used to check pack output to coils?

Engine did cut out once on flusher between 3500-4000 rpm, as if you pulled the safety lanyard and put it right back on.
 

Fl_Richard

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Re: 1996 OMC Optical Ignition

I've got a simular motor. Id go with Clanton - Power Pack.

All six of my coils have never stopped working at the same time. But when my power pack was dying it was like pulling the safety cable.

I like OEM but for this I think i would go with the newer CDI digital packs - I hear they are awesome!
 

reeldutch

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Re: 1996 OMC Optical Ignition

first thing i would do is to seperate the motor from the boat.
meaning make sure that it isnt your kill switch or wiring harnass to the controls acting up.

secon thing i would do is check al the grounds and make shure there clean.

third i would test the yellow red wire for batery voltage to the powerpack.

test this with the control harnass plugged in and plugged out.

also check the shift switch for acting up
 

Scoot

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Re: 1996 OMC Optical Ignition

What readings should I find on the yellow/red wire at the pack? I'm getting 12 volts when cranking, 0 otherwise, running or not. From what I've read about OIS it should only read 12v when cranking in order to supply enough voltage to run system, not needed when running. But I could have misinterpreted something.

Shift switch is disconnected.

Of course this is an intermittent problem, usually never misses a beat on the flusher, especially when trying to diagnose.
 

reeldutch

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Re: 1996 OMC Optical Ignition

That is correct on the yellow red wire.

check all grounds.

run it with the boat controls unplugged.
just to make sure the engine is the problem.

after that i would first before changing an expensive pp clean or replace the optical sensor.

also if you are able to get it to fail at the dock or on the trailer in the water, i would do a cylinder contribution test.
unplug the wire with a wire puller. snapon or bleupoint makes good plastic ones.
so you can exactly find out witch cylinders are cutting out.

good luck
 

Scoot

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Re: 1996 OMC Optical Ignition

Installed new CDI power pack, runs great except idles too fast. Not sure if quickstart is triggered or not. Thinking it may be timing related. I've read elsewhere that you need an OMC ignition analyzer to set the timing, others say you can use a timing light if you're careful. Can't seem to find much online regarding the procedure to adjust timing even if I could tell where it's set.

I have verified that the timing pointer is set correctly.

Any ideas?
 

Scoot

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Re: 1996 OMC Optical Ignition

Borrowed timing light, timing was actually retarded more than spec (spec 4-6 degrees ATDC, was set to 8-10 degreees ATDC). Backed timing off as much as adjuster would allow, now idling about 1050 rpm on the flusher. Quick start is working correctly, idles faster for about 5 seconds before backing down. Checked idle timing after setting idle, new setting is around 12 degrees ATDC, which is as much as I could retard it on the adjuster.

Seems to be ilding about right, maybe a little fast, but I can live with that.

FYI, I had no problems using a standard timing light on the optical system. Was shooting from directly above, maybe that kept any stray light from entering the sensor.

Thanks to all who replied to my questions, maybe all the info will be valuable to others playing with Optical Ignition systems.
 
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