1997 Force 120hp Tune up?

[Llunker]

Re: 1997 Force 120hp Tune up?

John,

Well well well, i got the new water pump ( placed in forward gear while chanaging the units impeller) in and everything was going smoothly till i tried getting the unit back on the midleg. After much playing around with the fly wheel she finally went back into place.

I thought WHEW !!! finally --now put the new thermostat in and i am done.

Put the muffs on and --why is the unit turning in NEUTRAL !!!

What happened? the prop is turning when it is suppose to be in neutral--

HELP !!!

 

[john from md]

Re: 1997 Force 120hp Tune up?

Did you forget to hook up the shift link in front of the leg? If it was shifting fine before you pulled the leg it should be working correctly now.

However, there is always the possiblity that it was on the ragged edge and your moving it about threw it out of wack.

It can't hurt to readjust your shift linkage anyway. The manual explains the process and it is no big deal. Basically all you do is rotate the prop while pulling up on the shift link, make a mark on the shift link, rotate the prop the other way, make a mark on the shift link, now adjust the upper cable until the link is in the middle of the two marks.

John

 

[Llunker]

Re: 1997 Force 120hp Tune up?

Did you forget to hook up the shift link in front of the leg? If it was shifting fine before you pulled the leg it should be working correctly now.

However, there is always the possiblity that it was on the ragged edge and your moving it about threw it out of wack.

It can't hurt to readjust your shift linkage anyway. The manual explains the process and it is no big deal. Basically all you do is rotate the prop while pulling up on the shift link, make a mark on the shift link, rotate the prop the other way, make a mark on the shift link, now adjust the upper cable until the link is in the middle of the two marks.

John

not sure how to re-adjust the shift linkage and my seloc manuel is horrible for pictures. If i had a picture it would be worth a thousand words. so what your saying is to hold up the shift link and rotate the prop clockwise and make a mark. Then rotate prop counter-clockwise --(do i again hold up the shift link?) and make another mark? and then adjust?

you got pics?

 

[gonefishie]

Re: 1997 Force 120hp Tune up?

So your actually have a shift linkage that you have to disconnect? Mine is just a little rod with splines just like the prop shaft. I took mine off in neutral and put it back in neutral.

 

[Llunker]

Re: 1997 Force 120hp Tune up?

ok i can post pictures here well. tell me if i am close--

this is the gear side in which it attaches to the shaft.

and the cable bringing this line in only has the one adjustment that i can see--do i mess with this line adjustment?

 

[Robert D]

Re: 1997 Force 120hp Tune up? Dies in gear answer...

Re: 1997 Force 120hp Tune up? Dies in gear answer...

Your engine dies when you put it in gear, because you adjusted the mixture at an idle.....or while on the muffs. Back the trailer into the water, or SECURELY tiee to dock, and with warm engine, adjust the idle mixture while engaged in forward gear. Without this load, it'll be too lean when you put it in gear and it will die.

 

[Llunker]

Re: 1997 Force 120hp Tune up? Dies in gear answer...

Re: 1997 Force 120hp Tune up? Dies in gear answer...

Your engine dies when you put it in gear, because you adjusted the mixture at an idle.....or while on the muffs. Back the trailer into the water, or SECURELY tiee to dock, and with warm engine, adjust the idle mixture while engaged in forward gear. Without this load, it'll be too lean when you put it in gear and it will die.

What? we are way beyond that now. The Idle is fine and she runs beautifully. That was at the first of the thread. Maybe you meant to comment in another thread or you haven't quite read all of this one.

Anyways after speaking with a Marine Mechanic it sounds as though i need to take the LU back off while the control is in neutral. Shift the shift rod on the LU into Neutral and replace back into the midleg. Make sure the prop turns without clicking in any direction. This should be neutral now and has nothing to do with shift linkage.

Unless I am missing something here I just have a little more physical work to do.

 

[Llunker]

Re: 1997 Force 120hp Tune up?

So your actually have a shift linkage that you have to disconnect? Mine is just a little rod with splines just like the prop shaft. I took mine off in neutral and put it back in neutral.

After further reading i think your correct gonefishie--mine is just like yours. It doesn't have a disconnect it is just a little rod with splines in front of the prop shaft. Just need to figure out how to get that little rod back in neutral and back up in the midleg of the motor while the control is set to neutral.

I think were on to something here----

 

[gonefishie]

Re: 1997 Force 120hp Tune up?

After further reading i think your correct gonefishie--mine is just like yours. It doesn't have a disconnect it is just a little rod with splines in front of the prop shaft. Just need to figure out how to get that little rod back in neutral and back up in the midleg of the motor while the control is set to neutral.

I think were on to something here----

Mine was in neutral when I took it off. To put it back on, have someone bump the key without starting the motor. Just enough to turn the flywheel and the gear rod thingy slightly while you push the LU in place. But, since you already had it on. The splines must have had line up properly. Did the prop turned very slowly or was it fast? When on the muff and neutral, the prop does turn a little. Mine does that too and I reckon it's normal.

 

[Llunker]

Re: 1997 Force 120hp Tune up?

The problem is the prop makes a clicking noise when in neutral. I know that this is wrong for sure. Yes a little movement in neutral would be normal. But when in neutral the prop is suppose to be free to rotate in either direction.

So its back off today when i get up--just worked like 8 straight nights(12 hours shifts) at the hospital and i am tired. Will let you know how it works out today. You can actually move the flywheel with your hand while you hold the LU with the other hand and get it in.

 

[Llunker]

Re: 1997 Force 120hp Tune up?

well i tried now for over a couple hours and i can't get the prop to stop clicking on the LU. i have pulled up on the shift rod and moved it around to no avail.

this is my problem so far.

1. the prop will click when turning forward
2. the prop will actually rotate the drive shaft in reverse.

Was told by a mechanic to put the control in reverse and put the unit back into the midleg and then rotate the prop down(which is reverse--to line up the splines) and bingo that worked just fine. she slid right back up and in but when i went to put the control in neutral --IT STILL CLICKS and doesn't rotate at all counter clockwise.

I am starting to get frustrated as i know it is something small. Do i need to re-seat the shift rod? to actually take it apart and put in back down in neutral if there is such a thing?

HELP !!!

 

[Llunker]

Re: 1997 Force 120hp Tune up?

well i think i got it from this post

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=342204&highlight=prop+clicks

The guy named Chris1956 here in this post --that helped a ton.

"Ratcheting of the prop means gearcase is in forward. You need to turn the shift rod CCW until it clicks and stays in neutral."

Well when i finally figured out i could turn it CCW till it clicked--then the prop went into neutral--WHEW !!!!

Ok i placed it all back together and everything seems ok. Except when i put it in reverse i thought the prop would spin freely but it doesnt. it stops in both directions --is suppose to do that in reverse? Forward gear is fine and rotates just fine and in CCW it stops--so good there.

I went to put i on the muffs and PRAYED ALOT !!!! :redface:

She ran beautifully--in all gears Forward, Reverse and Neutral.

Cut the switch and called it a night--but just out of curiosity i went back out and put the control lever in reverse and thought i would check the prop again. The prop still stops in both directions??? weird???

Any thoughts or is it suppose to do that?

 

[gonefishie]

Re: 1997 Force 120hp Tune up?

I guess your neutral is now forward if it won't rotate counter clockwise. What happen when you put it in reverse or forward? The only thing I could think of the clicking noise is the splines on the prop shaft and hub not staying in place. Perhaps you got a damaged hub. Check the prop hub and shaft. It takes 10 minutes top to do it so it wouldn't hurt.

 

[Llunker]

Re: 1997 Force 120hp Tune up?

No--neutral is neutral

forward is forward--no problems there

Just reverse--seems a little odd. It wont rotate CCW without stopping to a click point. And of course it stop on CW rotation like it is suppose to. But with the muffs on you wouldn't know the difference.

Well i just checked another forum from Canada --the guy there is a guru with outboards his name is "the marine doctor". You can also find him on you tube with alot of different installations of how to do things.

Anyways---this is his quote----"Stops in both directions for rev is normal."

so I guess everything is normal --GREAT !!!! this thread is finally in the books and i hope others learn from it--i know it was a huge learning curve for me and I hope it helps others in the future.

And thank God i found that thread that Chris1956 was in or i would have never known i could actually moved that shift rod further CCW. That was the whole ticket.

Now --the next project begins today--I purchased a Porter Cable 7424 and all the pads necessary for de-oxidizing the boat and plan on getting it done today before tournament time which is at 5:30 TODAY !!!

Not much time --ah well i always like being under pressure-i guess thats why i work in the hospital.



Cheers to everyone who helped me John and Gonfishie--Excellent thread !!