1999 FICHT 150 " I know now guys"

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Hello, I am trying to find someone who knows about these engines and especially what took place during the "updates" or at least very versed in this motor.
 
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I bought this boat a couple of months ago. We took it for a test ride and all it ran great. So it was a good deal and I bought it. Well I got it home and fished out of it a couple of times and after that I noticed when I crank it it idles high. 1100-1200 with a miss. I replaced the plugs and gapped them .30 indexed them and I am still having the issue. When you get it in gear and get plained out "whitch takes longer than it did" it seems 75% of the time to run smooth the other 25% you can notice a slight miss. I am not getting the speed I was - 10-15mph. And WOT IS ONLY 4300rpm. I have ordered the book for it but I have been looking at online prints and parts but this engine does not have some of the things that others have stated fixed this "kind of " issue. I came home today and was going to pull the exhaust sensor to see if it was carboned over. Ha no sensor. I believe the hole it is supposed to go to is plugged. I also believe this motor has the updates done to it and maybe some of these things were deleted during the swap.

I do not have a dealer that will even look at this motor within 4 hours of my location they are all either terrified of it or know nothing about these motors or what was done about them and their issues. I found a dealer that is 5 hours from me who actually talked to me about it. He is contacting Evinrude to place a case on it so they can see if my serial number actually got the updates and if there is a manual for it.
 
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jimmbo

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I had a 1998 150 Ficht. The first couple of 'updates' were reprograming of the Engine MAP software and different sparkplugs. That was either 1998 or 1999. Both times it resulted in slightly slower acceleration, and slightly lower top speed. Indexing of the spark plugs was another one of the updates. Also part of the updates was a recommendation to use OMC Carbon Guard fuel additive. Next came new cylinder heads. The new heads has pin/rod protruding into the combustion chamber It was supposed to scatter the fuel spraying from the fuel injector, and another remapping of the engine control module. There also some changes to the oiling system pump. A couple of years later I received what was a complete new 2003 power head. This time there was no remapping as the new engine had all the latest and greatest. It ran well enough, but as the Warranty was getting close to expiring I did some calculations what it would cost, not if, but when the new power head did self destruct. The cost of a non-warranty powerhead versus trading up to a new bigger boat with an I/O was almost identical. So I traded it. when the dealership service department did the inspection of the trade in, it noted there was already a "neat little score" on one of the cylinders. That was with 49 hours on the 'new and improved' powerhead. The "neat little score" didn't affect the agreed upon price. Where I boat, I haven't seen a Ficht on the water for many years. They just disappeared.
To do any service on the Fichts, except for changing of the sparkplugs, require special computer software, not easily obtained by non dealers.
My original powerhead always had a slight shake, like an imbalance. It was in the engine or the upper section of the driveshaft as is there in gear or in neutral. The dealer swapped another upper driveshaft but that didn't solve it, and it was still there with the new powerhead. Maybe one of the isolation mounts was bad, but the dealer changed most of those too.

The 150 fight had a WOT range of 4500 - 5500. They do a very good job of fouling the spark plugs and the Ficht combustion process will result in some very hard Soot.

Run lots of engine tuner through it and use either BRP XD50 or XD100 in it. The XD 100 will be pricey because the engine can not be reprogramed to use oil like the E-tec can. But, it is the best oil for a DI engine, TCW-3 oil, while the most current rating is not really good enough. The XD50 and XD100 far exceed the TCW3 rating, and the last time I looked, they themselves are not rated TCW3 HEAD.JPG







Here is the one of the old cylinder heads, it had less than 100 hrs on it. I used nothing but OMC oil in it
 
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Faztbullet

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1999 totally different aniamal than a 1998, different voltages,different injectors.different ECM,different oiling locations......
 
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jimmbo

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Thanks Fazt, I knew they changed the ECM from an air cooled to a water cooled, and the other changes, but didn't know the year. So disregard my post as it pertains only to the 1998 model. :embarassed:
 

gradytom

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I'm still running strong with updated 98's
Have you checked for any error codes?


To check the codes hold open the throttle position sensor
in the WOT position.
(I have used a rubber band if a friend isn't available)
Turn the key but don't turn over the motor, the warning beep will sound and then the dash light (engine code light) will begin to flash, count the flashes
or "groups" of flashes, kinda like morse code.

code 12- TPS malfunction
13- TPS below expected range
14 - TPS above expected range
15 - ROM failure
16 - Crankshaft Position Sensor out of adjustment or damage
17 - Alternator Voltage low
18 - Alternator Voltage high
23 - ECU Temp malfunction
24 - ECU Temp Low
25 - ECU Temp High
26 - Battery Voltage Low
27 - Battery Volyage High
28 - Shift Assist Circuit Malfunction

37 - Water in Fuel Sensor Activation
41 - Water Temp Circuit malfunction
42 - Water Temp below expected range
44 - Barometric pressure Sensor circuit malfunction
45 - BP sensor below expected range
46 - BP sensor above range
47 - Air Temp Circuit malfunction
48- Air temp below expected range
49 - Air Temp above range

To manually clear the service codes and erase "soft codes".

While in diagnostic mode, return the throttle position sensor to its idle position, wait 5 seconds and the check engine light will come on.
Move the TPS to its WOT limit, check engine light will go out.
Then back to low end limit, light will come back on.
Make sure TPS travels to both limits, repeat the low to high steps for 5 cycles, after cycle 5 on the low end limit, the check light will stay on until the TPS is remounted. After remount, if there are no hard codes, the light will stay off.
Turn off the key off and all soft codes will be erased.
Probably not a bad idea to disconnect the motor from the negative battery terminal at this time, wait 10 minutes and reconnect.
Engine must be run to re-aquire any soft codes.
 
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You sir are a good man for posting the codes for me. I have seen the check engine light come on running but it will go back off. When it has done this it was a miss feel and it went away and light went off. I have never been put into limp mode.

I ordered a manual from a company. I have been waiting 2 weeks for it. I called today and they said we cancelled it. They stated it was an obsolete part and they couldn't get it anymore. So I searched and found a Clymers edition book. I have it ordered and should arrive between Friday-Tuesday. I am working long hours and it has got into colder temps here for a week so it might be the weekend before I can troubleshoot any further. I did receive in my lift pump rebuild kit. Today and will rebuild it this weekend. I was also thinking of pulling the Fuel vapor separator and checking it out. Is there any thing to worry about removing the cap and opening it up?

I contacted BRP and gave them the serial number off of the motor and they told me that that was a bad serial number that it does not exist. I asked if I could send him a photo because what I told him was the exact clear number printed on the tag. He stated "well it must be a miss print" there is nothing I can do for you without a good serial number, thanks have a good day click". I was so pissed off. If I can get it back running again to prime condition I will be unloading the boat soon. It is emaculate the motor is in a 8-10 shape. I would repower the hull but I might as well just bite the bullet buy a new rig and have warranty. After the shitty service from Evinrude today I don't know what motor I will go with but they moved down a notch in my book over that conversation.
 

Faztbullet

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If it has screw in injectors its a 1998 and if it has bolt on injector its a 99....
1) The Clymers book is good for toilet paper on this engine
2) BRP offers NO support for this engine as you have found out
3) There are very few new parts available for this motor
4) You will need to find the old DOS software if its a 98 as new software wont talk to EMM
 
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Ok today I went out removed tps and pinned it wide open. Turned key on and counted the codes 3 times. I got. 22,26,54,35,17,43

The only ones I believe I have found the code to are.

17-alt low volt
26-batt volt low

22?
54?
35?
43?
 

daselbee

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22 = Water temp switch
35 = Oil pressure switch no oil
43 = Water temp above range
54 = Fuel injector circuit cyl #4 open

Be aware that you are reading all the codes that were ever set since the last time they were reset.

Some of those codes will not apply now.
 
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Yes I know it's is all of the codes from previous also. I got my lift pump kit in today and rebuilt it. I am hoping to try and run it tomorrow. It appeared to have a small hole in the diaphram. I am hoping that that was the issue with the rpm at idol. I couldn't run it today due to the temps in the teens.
 
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