2 cycle ban

[baitmaster]

Does anyone know anything about the 2 cycle ban that was destined to go into effect on 1/1/12 on certain bodies of water in the US? I believe it was on water that was primarily be used for drinking water, and maybe a dozen places were on the list? This was from a few yrs ago.

 

[fishrdan]

Re: 2 cycle ban

Are you talking about Mead/Mohave? If so the "carbed 2 stroke" ban takes affect 12-31-2012. So, we have another 1.5 years to replace our old outboards... I'm saving my pennies, but not replacing my OB until I have to.

As I understand it, all national parks are trying to, or are, banning 2 strokes. Maybe others from different parts of the country will chime in.

 

[Oldyellow71]

Re: 2 cycle ban

I lived in Washington State the last 4 out of 5 years and they already have a handful of lakes that are four stroke only!! It won't be long until all the lakes up there are. Nothing on the rivers yet though, where most of the good fishing is!

 

[boobie]

Re: 2 cycle ban

No bans in Southwest Fl yet even tho' BP was around. This is why I don't live out west.

 

[aerobat]

Re: 2 cycle ban

do the newer direct injected 2 strokes not fullfile any emissions needed?

 

[Caseyuconn]

Re: 2 cycle ban

New Evinrude E-tecs run cleaner than the 4-stroke competitors. Get your hands on the Evinrude promo DVD very impressive. Bottom line is EPA can not 'ban 2-strokes.' They can have emissions regulations but as long as the new 2-strokes comply they will always be around.
The Evinrude E-tec DVD talks about Lake Mead specifically and some of the park service actually have E-tecs on their boat.

 

[Brokeback Johnson]

Re: 2 cycle ban

Tree huggers are the plague.

 

[SparkieBoat]

Re: 2 cycle ban

they have managed to phase out carbs from new production, this is why new outboard motors cost so frikin much, same with autos, in order to meet EPA standards our new cars cost about %40 more than what they should about the same price increase on outboards also. same thing happened to HVAC equipment also...this environmental stuff is costing the working class people a huge percentage of their income. I am all for a clean environment, and there should be laws to stop unnecessary pollution or gross neglect of our environment, but much of what is being forced today is overkill and not making a measurable difference.

 

[baitmaster]

Re: 2 cycle ban

Guess when that time comes, I'll have to haul it somewhere legal and sell it. Don't understand all the fuss, there's plenty of other pollution sources they could focus on. Never see any smokers or oil slicks on the water anymore anyhow. Also, less boats on the water due to gas prices, and the economy. So without a boat to use and maintain anymore, less revenue for them from gas taxes, registration on boat and trailer, accessory and equipment sales, boat stamps, insurance, etc. Not saying I wouldnt get another boat, but some people replace them.

 

[aerobat]

Re: 2 cycle ban

it would surely be a shame when really somebody starts to ban a technology even when the engine meets emission standarts .

and is life not too short to ever wait three cycles for the bang ?

 

[seahorse5]

Re: 2 cycle ban

There is NO blanket prohibition of all 2 strokes. Misinformation is rampant on the Internet.

If you read the proposed regulations, they will prohibit motors that do not meet the EPA emission regulations that went into effect in 1998 They even specify that direct injected 2-strokes are approved for use as all FICHT, E-TEC, Opti, and HPDI motors meet these regulations.

It is the smaller sized 2-stroke outboards that are carbureted or fuel injected that will not be allowed on pristine waters. I think there are even some older 4 strokes that don't even meet the emission requirements.

 

[QC]

Re: 2 cycle ban

There is NO blanket prohibition of all 2 strokes. Misinformation is ramant on the Internet.

Agree 100%.

Also guys, just a reminder. Debating how and who is out to get us with these regulations is political in nature and will lead to the thread being closed. We can discuss the technical merits of a regulation, and the geography affected, stuff like that. But when we discuss "them" and "revenue" and "tree huggers", we are done. Way too sensitive to maintain civility. Thanks

 

[robert graham]

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I believe the 2 strokes will die a natural death of attrition, they're mostly all going to 4 strokes now and in 10 more years the only 2 strokes will be like the dinosaurs or some type of hybrid product like an Etec. It's just progress, but I'm gonna run my 90HP, 2 stroke, carbed Yamaha as long as I can, but when she dies, I'll be looking at 4 strokes.

 

[aerobat]

Re: 2 cycle ban

its all a question in which direction the outboard technology goes and where the money is to earn. when we talk about nowaday fourstrokes we talk mostly not about carburators but electronic port injection. when we talk about two strokes we dont talk about the old 50:1 fuel mixture but about direct injected engines with separate oil injection. all meet the standarts. its not a question of enviroment but about lobby of big indutries an the question which manufacturer can direct the goverment to favourize its own technology and blame the others.

 

[QC]

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some type of hybrid product like an Etec.

I question the word "hybrid". These are two strokes, through and through . . .

its not a question of enviroment but about lobby of big indutries an the question which manufacturer can direct the goverment to favourize its own technology and blame the others.

The EU is tough, but worldwide this is improving. Most standards are tailpipe now, so all technologies can compete. There are exceptions for sure, but not as bad as your post would suggest.

 

[scipper77]

Re: 2 cycle ban

I believe the 2 strokes will die a natural death of attrition, they're mostly all going to 4 strokes now and in 10 more years the only 2 strokes will be like the dinosaurs or some type of hybrid product like an Etec. It's just progress, but I'm gonna run my 90HP, 2 stroke, carbed Yamaha as long as I can, but when she dies, I'll be looking at 4 strokes.

I'm tuning up my first outboard right now. A 1961 evinrude. I'd be willing to bet we will be seeing two strokes on the water for as long as we can keep them running. If they become nearly obtainable new due to the price of technology people will go to great lengths to restore old ones (even if old in this case means a 1995 carbed motor).

 

[baitmaster]

Re: 2 cycle ban

Wouldnt it be nice for someone to find a list of outboards that would legal/illegal if this comes to pass? I was under the assumption that ALL 2 cycles would be banned from bodies of water that were used primarily for drinking water, in which Lake Mead would prob qualify as Vegas gets 3/4 of it water from it.

 

[dingbat]

Re: 2 cycle ban

I believe the 2 strokes will die a natural death of attrition, they're mostly all going to 4 strokes now and in 10 more years the only 2 strokes will be like the dinosaurs or some type of hybrid product like an Etec.

You are completely right. We where noting the other day how the number of two strokes you see on the water has dropped dramatically over the past 5 years or so. Probably less than 30% these days.

 

[dingbat]

Re: 2 cycle ban

Wouldnt it be nice for someone to find a list of outboards that would legal/illegal if this comes to pass? I was under the assumption that ALL 2 cycles would be banned from bodies of water that were used primarily for drinking water, in which Lake Mead would prob qualify as Vegas gets 3/4 of it water from it.

The list will change from location to location. Around here, primary water supplies are electric only.

 

[seahorse5]

Re: 2 cycle ban

Wouldnt it be nice for someone to find a list of outboards that would legal/illegal if this comes to pass? I was under the assumption that ALL 2 cycles would be banned from bodies of water that were used primarily for drinking water, in which Lake Mead would prob qualify as Vegas gets 3/4 of it water from it.

reread post #11 - any engine 2 stroke or 4 stroke that meets the '98 EPA and the CARB 1,2, or 3 star ratings are OK in any body of water that allows gasoline powered outboards.