2000 Yamaha 250 SWSII OX66 - stumbling and rough running, RODBOLT - please help!

MarshVR4

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I've got twin 250s and during a long offshore trip last week the starboard motor started running rough. I had them set at 4300rpms and was cruising in when the starboard engine would lose rpms and shake and run rough. It got worse as some time went on and would sort of stumble for a sec (you could feel the boat slow) then would pick up again, and so on. We stopped at one point and upon restarting it was running very rough and couldn't even bring the RPMS up, so we ended up going the last 20 miles on one engine.

I started trying to troubleshoot it today. Fuel rail pressure is at a constant 35psi, regardless of load and even when it stumbles and runs rough. Compression is 110 to 115 on all cylinders. I cleaned out the VST tank and filter, replaced the spin on filter and when I put that tank back together, it ran better at idle. I drained the tank first, no water or sediment in the fuel. But upon testing, it's still stumbling above 4000rpms. Then i noticed a slight fuel sheen when the engine is just left idling. I thought it may have been the 3 diaghram fuel pumps, so I pulled all three of those. I tried to blow in them backwards and each of them basically does not allow much air to move backwards, however, there is a little bit of air that could get through. I opened up 2 of them and the rubber gasket thing looked to be intact. I also checked the TPS using a DVM and checking the resistance. The resistance changed as you opened the throttle, i think it went from 5.4k ohms at idle to 1.6k ohms wide open. I've also got the O2 sensors from both motors soaking in carb cleaner right now. The one from the problem engine was a lot darker than the other with a lot of soot caked up on the tube, but not blocking the tube. These are pretty much the symptoms I have so far and what I've done. I will replace the 3 fuel pumps tomorrow and reinstall the cleaned O2 sensor, but I'm not convinced this is my problem. Rodbolt or anyone else...do you have any suggestions for me? I'm really trying to avoid the dealership. I'm not overly impressed with their service and want to learn these engines for myself. Any input is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Marshall
 

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Re: 2000 Yamaha 250 SWSII OX66 - stumbling and rough running, RODBOLT - please help!

I had the sem problem all last year and again starting this year. Each time when I clean the vst filter it runs pretty good for a while. I seem to be having the same problem as you now after replacing the filter last weekend. Sure would like to know the solution. The problem seems to move from engine to engine.
 

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Re: 2000 Yamaha 250 SWSII OX66 - stumbling and rough running, RODBOLT - please help!

Is there anybody out there to help with this issue. I have the same problem almost to the letter and would like to get mine fixed also
 

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Re: 2000 Yamaha 250 SWSII OX66 - stumbling and rough running, RODBOLT - please help!

I have an update. I went to the boat yesterday and...well, I left with things much worse than before. I cleaned the O2 sensors on both engines and swapped the diaphram pumps from the good motor to the problem motor. After testing, I found that the problem was gone on the bad motor and I could reach all RPMs with no issues. I did check the O2 sensor voltages at idle before I tested the motors. Both engines fluctuated, with the problem engine between .4-.7 volts and would raise to about .82 volts when I covered the hole with my finger on the top cylinder. However, the good engine would actually fluctuate from about .3-.6 volts and about .8 with the hole plugged. Anyway, as I was coming down from speed after this test (maybe 5 min of running), the "good" (port) engine started making a horrible noise. It would barely stay running. I pulled the cover and could hear an obvious metallic noise inside the engine. I secured the engine and pulled back to the dock. Upon pulling the plugs, my worst fears became reality. The top port side piston had failed, the spark plug was shut and melted with pieces of melted metal splattered all over it. The compression was zero on that cylinder and compression on the stbd top cylinder was about 95. Compression on the other 4 was 110-115. I am totally at a loss. I'm no mechanic, but this seems like a catastophic failure and I don't know what the cause could be. Oil pump failing? This engine was running great right up until I stopped and it brought us in the 20 or so miles when the other engine was having problems without missing a beat. Anyway, it seems that on the other engine, cleaning the O2 sensor and/or changing out the diaphragm fuel pumps has fixed my problem. Hope you have better luck than me.
 

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Re: 2000 Yamaha 250 SWSII OX66 - stumbling and rough running, RODBOLT - please help!

My problem is resolved. I found the oxegen sensor to be faulty which was not the main problem, but one of the fuel pumps had a broken diaphram. After replacing the pumps(3), engine ran like a champ.
 
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