2004 Stingray 190CS?

[superbenk]

Just got home from the Philly boat show! We didn't buy a shiny new boat, but we put a deposit down (contingent on inspection) on a 2004 Stingray 190CS. It's normally $12450, but it was on sale just for the show at $9995. Wondering what the iBoats community thinks of this deal? The salesman at the show seemed to think we could get it down to $9000, but we'd probably shoot for $8500. Is this a good deal? What's the general consensus on that era Stingray?

We haven't physically looked at the boat yet, but the pics look super clean.

 

[superpop]

Re: 2004 Stingray 190CS?

Stingray is an entry level boat similar in build quality and components as Bayliner or Tahoe. That seems awfully high for a 6 year old boat with a 4 banger motor. I would shoot for 7K.

 

[JimS123]

Re: 2004 Stingray 190CS?

NADA book value is $6000. Nuff said.

The boat dealers are going broke in this economy. They are desperate to get a high price whenever they can. But, the fact remains its IS a buyer's market. Offer $6500 cash and I bett they will take it. If not, keep looking.

 

[tawood]

Re: 2004 Stingray 190CS?

I bought, and then sold, a 04 Stingray 190 last year....bought it for 5,500, and sold it for 6,300 a few weeks later. Btw, boat looked like brand new, was never kept in the water, was always kept indoors, and had 35 (yep, 35) hours on the 4 banger.
I bought it just to sell, and honestly thought I could make alot more on it. Economy is very tough right now for boats, snowmobiles, etc.
Tim

 

[superbenk]

Re: 2004 Stingray 190CS?

NADA book value is $6000. Nuff said.

http://www.nadaguides.com/default.a...&m=1489&d=1600214179&y=2004&ml=S&gc=MR&gtc=MR

That says low retail is $9870 ($8230 without any options). Wondering where you got $6000 from? I definitely don't want to over-pay for a boat, but I don't understand where that figure came from. Am I looking at NADA wrong?

 

[JimS123]

Re: 2004 Stingray 190CS?

http://www.nadaguides.com/default.a...&m=1489&d=1600214179&y=2004&ml=S&gc=MR&gtc=MR

That says low retail is $9870 ($8230 without any options). Wondering where you got $6000 from? I definitely don't want to over-pay for a boat, but I don't understand where that figure came from. Am I looking at NADA wrong?

No, you didn't do it wrong. I just tried it again and got what you got. But look again at the specs. It shows the price for a diesel engine. Here is what I got the first time...for a 120 gas 4-banger:

http://www.nadaguides.com/default.a...d=1600214180&y=2004&ml=S&z=14120&gc=mr&gtc=MR

 

[JimS123]

Re: 2004 Stingray 190CS?

Now I'm confused too. I just checked my last post to be sure it was correct and found that the link I cut and pasted was not the same as what I read on my screen when I copied it.

There must be a glitch with NADA. Anyway, your link and mine both show the wrong engine.

When I do the search it comes up 220 HP, so I do the edit in the drop down menu to show a 120 HP 4 cylinder and it comes up as follows:

high average - $8550
deduct 2560 for smaller motor

Ends up $5990 average high retail.

 

[ThreeMileBayWaker]

Re: 2004 Stingray 190CS?

I know I wouldn't be happy with a 130hp motor. Besides that, yea price seems off to me. There is no harm in haggling on the price.

 

[superbenk]

Re: 2004 Stingray 190CS?

Looks like you're right. I missed the engine selection my first time through. Spec'd it out properly here:

http://www.nadaguides.com/default.a...d=1600214180&y=2004&ml=S&z=14120&gc=mr&gtc=MR

Looks like the dealership isn't going to like us

 

[superbenk]

Re: 2004 Stingray 190CS?

I know I wouldn't be happy with a 130hp motor. Besides that, yea price seems off to me. There is no harm in haggling on the price.

Ya, a 4.3L would definitely be my preference, but did you notice what I'm coming from in my sig? My Century 190 has a 30 yr old OMC 140.

 

[NCLakeboater]

Re: 2004 Stingray 190CS?

Looks like you're right. I missed the engine selection my first time through. Spec'd it out properly here:

http://www.nadaguides.com/default.a...d=1600214180&y=2004&ml=S&z=14120&gc=mr&gtc=MR

Looks like the dealership isn't going to like us

In this boat market the dealer is going to like any potential buyer. Offer a lower price and I'm sure you'll arrive at a good price for the boat.

 

[JimS123]

Re: 2004 Stingray 190CS?

Ya, a 4.3L would definitely be my preference, but did you notice what I'm coming from in my sig? My Century 190 has a 30 yr old OMC 140.

Lots of people bash the 3.0 Liter Mercruiser. I have a 190 Stingray with a four banger. Mine's a 1984. I'm the original owner and the oldest member of the Stingray Boat Owners Club (oldest boat that is....LOL)

I wouldn't trade that motor for anything. The fuel economy is outstanding. I have a custom pitched prop and the ignition was converted to electronic (replaced the points & condenser) The engine is bulletproof and runs awesome. I won't tell you how fast she goes becasue I would be accused of lying. The fact is that Stnigray hulls run well on less horsepower.

 

[jkust]

Re: 2004 Stingray 190CS?

Also to add to the above scenario that it is a small cuddy that would likely have a smaller pool of buyers meaning lower sales price. Maybe not a fair comparison between PA and MN but here those small cuddy's sit a while. The 19footer is open bow territory.

 

[superbenk]

Re: 2004 Stingray 190CS?

Also to add to the above scenario that it is a small cuddy that would likely have a smaller pool of buyers meaning lower sales price. Maybe not a fair comparison between PA and MN but here those small cuddy's sit a while. The 19footer is open bow territory.

Wow, we're all ready to walk away from I but this and the previous post have me thinking again. My Century has the equivelant of the 3.0L and it does ok. I wouldn't want to try skiing behind it, but we'd certainly like to do some tubing. I get about 35 at best with it. Seems fast enough.

I'd love a 4.3L, but maybe it isn't that big a deal yet. I do like the fuel economy of the smaller engine.

We were talking about offering $7500 cash (including tax, etc.) and seeing what they'd say. Does tha seem reasonable?

 

[JimS123]

Re: 2004 Stingray 190CS?

If it were me I'd print out the NADA page and clip a $100 bill to it, then offer him 500 more than book value($6500). You can always come up to 7500 but never go down.

I bought a showroom condition Chevy Caprice a number of years ago and got him to come down over $5000 off the sticker price just because my credit union wouldn't loan more than the amount I offered.

 

[superbenk]

Re: 2004 Stingray 190CS?

If it were me I'd print out the NADA page and clip a $100 bill to it, then offer him 500 more than book value($6500). You can always come up to 7500 but never go down.

Not a bad idea. They do already have a $500 deposit on it from our credit card so we could lock in the "Show Pricing." We're prepared to write them a check for the full amount which, to me, is the same as green cash. I hate haggling, but my wife loves it

 

[jkust]

Re: 2004 Stingray 190CS?

The 4.3's economy isn't too much less but the power increase is substantial. Again, I don't know your market but just this week a pretty good trickle of nice bowriders have started making their way on CL now that the temps are starting to warm up. I will say that the Stingray is probably the only hull I would run a 3.0 on if I was buying and an 04 is pretty new.