2005 4.3L Mercruiser/Alpha 1 Overheating

avia8tur

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2005 Mercruiser 4.3L MPI with Closed Cooling System
Alpha 1 drive
Serial Number: 0W020795

Just bought boat, had survey, all good to go. My mistake, did not sea trial after long discussion with mechanic who had been working this boat for the last 4 years. Low hours, 190 Starboard, 185 Port. (Twin set up, one engine being difficult)

Both engines were run on the flush system with muffs attached. Both engines came up to temp and ran very well.

First launch of boat, both engines get hot using raw water and depending on the sea water pump to provide cooling water.

At dock, reattach garden hose to flush system and they run cool. Starboard engine, once removing the garden hose from flush, began to suck raw water. (Not primed?) Port engine, would not. I suspected impeller was bad.

Changed both impellers. Starboard looked "burnt" but was intact. (Now new). Port was in pieces, which was a good sign because that could explain my problem.

I get, hopefully, all of the pieces out of the pump and system. After calling Mercruiser support, I determine that the power steering cooler is simply a brass pipe, no screens, no oil cooler that I can see, fuel cooler has no screen, and the screen at the heat exchanger has no debris.

I had lubricated the impellers and added a bit of dish soap to the pump. Start engines on the hard with muffs and flush system, soapy water emerges and both engines come up to temperature as normal.

Go to water, Starboard picks up raw water immediately, Port will not. Checked strainers, clean. checked the raw water/flush system valve, not stuck closed from raw water.

Sounds like priming to me. Next step may be to take the boat back to the water, loosen the top of the strainer, open the 1/4 turn seacock from the thru hull, flood the strainer bowl and lines removing the air, and see if it will prime. Alternatively, do as before and try running the motor, in the water using flush system and turn off the flush once flow has started to see if it will pick up raw water.

Interesting side note. I took both pumps apart to change impellers. Starboard side had a backer plate between the two pump halves. Port did not. The schematic does not show the backer plate in the pump. (I'm thinking this is a Mercruiser fix for something?)

If I didn't get all the pieces of the damaged impeller and they are restricting flow, where would they be?


Any help or ideas would be helpful.

Tom
 
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avia8tur

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It sounds like the hoses are reversed on the pump

I never disconnected the hoses. I removed the front (pulley) side leaving the rear still attached. Its possible but the mercruiser mechanic would have done it backwards. I'll have to check. Spoke with Mercruisder Customer Service this AM and they said the check valve after the power steering cooler or the water distribution chamber. Also, they said the starboard engine had a newer pump with the stainless wear plate. He said I should "upgrade" to the newer pump. I am willing but I'm not sure this will solve the problem.

Thank you for your input, I will definitely check the hoses.

Tom
 

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The is nothing inside the water distribution ball but air. just check to see if the hoses are connected the same way. Dont believe everything they tell you, remove the hose end and check for yourself.
 

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The wear plate is needed to help seal the side of the impeller. The issue with the Gen 7 pump is many has had issues with them priming. Some have found to pump the boat it the water and once started, rev slightly to get it going right after start. This appears to be a problem with only the Gen 7 pumps. Also make sure your getting the correct impeller, you can not use previous Gen pump impeller even though they look the same.

You should use 47-862232A2 with OD [FONT=&quot]2.50 Width 2.25

Older version was 47-59362T1 OD 2.63 Width 2.01
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avia8tur

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The wear plate is needed to help seal the side of the impeller. The issue with the Gen 7 pump is many has had issues with them priming. Some have found to pump the boat it the water and once started, rev slightly to get it going right after start. This appears to be a problem with only the Gen 7 pumps. Also make sure your getting the correct impeller, you can not use previous Gen pump impeller even though they look the same.

You should use 47-862232A2 with OD [FONT=&quot]2.50 Width 2.25

Older version was 47-59362T1 OD 2.63 Width 2.01
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Ok, thanks. I can buy the newer pump and install myself. I'd like to figure out if its a pump issue or a circulation issue. In my mind, since I can cool properly with hose water, it seems as though its not priming or it is drawing air and cavatating. (Although the hose pushes 25 or 30 lbs. and the pump much less.)

Tom
 

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Its all about volume, but making sure you have the correct impeller and adding the wear plate my fix the issue.
 

avia8tur

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Its all about volume, but making sure you have the correct impeller and adding the wear plate my fix the issue.

Thank you, I might spring for the updated pump as I would anyway in the near future. Hopefully that is the solution. Didn't see much wear in the original and I do believe I have the correct impeller although there was some issues with the Mercruiser part number and the original one I had in hand that was destroyed. Its a very tight removal due to two engines in the engine compartment so I only wanted to do this once, and now, only one more time with a pump I am confident is solid. (I'm not small and not as flexible as I once was!)

Thank you. I do plan on checking the "check valve" after the power steering cooler which may have an issue with debris.....

Tom
 

avia8tur

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New pump works. Clogged check valve. Reinstall tomorrow and see if problem solved.

Incidentally, pump began to draw water and stopped. Realized that there was no place for water to go. Pulled hose off of the power steering cooler outlet and had great flow at pump. Pulled check valve hoses and found significant impeller debris on the inlet side of check valve. Cleared and will install tomorrow. Fingers crossed.
 

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Good to hear, didn't get the connection between Formula and iboats post
 

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Yep, on both. But you've been a big help. Thank you. Seems unlikely any impeller parts got to the heat exchanger. Thoughts?

In most cases the PS cooler catches it, but there have been many times some makes it past. If you can account for all the pieces then no need, but kind of sounds like there has been more then one come apart
 
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