2005 ELH 25hp Murcury extra long shaft

nodding2003

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I bought this motor and was told it was a long shaft and didnt know any better so I didnt check it. It is actually an extra long shaft. I have a 20" shaft. Instead of going to the trouble and expense of raising the transom, I am thinking about selling it and getting a long shaft. The problem is, I cannot find another one on the market. Dont know how much it is worth. Is there a reason there are none of these on the market? Thanks
 

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Re: 2005 ELH 25hp Murcury extra long shaft

I bought this motor and was told it was a long shaft and didnt know any better so I didnt check it. It is actually an extra long shaft. I have a 20" shaft. Instead of going to the trouble and expense of raising the transom, I am thinking about selling it and getting a long shaft. The problem is, I cannot find another one on the market. Dont know how much it is worth. Is there a reason there are none of these on the market? Thanks

What I meant was "I have a 20" Transom.
 

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One solution if you keep that motor is to Google jack plates. They raise the ouboard. They make expensive ones, but the make less expensive ones too. Look on iboats to give an idea of what they look like. You don't mention what type of boat you are using it on? I have a 2005 9.9 4 stroke Merc. I think after 2006 model years they got a lot lighter. I first got a 2006 40 HP Merc and it was like 40 lbs heavier than the 2007 I swapped it back to the dealer with 2 weeks later.

Tough to find an outboard in the middle of the season that's why they are scarce. You might have better luck trading it into a dealer who has new and used Mercs as he could sell it easier than you can. I think an extra long shaft are made more for sailboats, but that's just a guess on my part.
 

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Then it sounds to me like a 25 4 stroke (it is a 4 stroke right?) may be too big for that rig. You might post a pic of it for another opinion. But boats have plates on them showing how many passengers and gear a particular boat can hold. Plus the maximum capacity of an outboard allowed on it. Maybe being homemade (fiberglass or wood?) it might support more HP's. I know a new 13 foot aluminum Sylvan I owned a few years back had a max rating of 25 hp. I had a 9.9 on it because 4 strokes are heavier. If I were to put a 25 hp on it and more than 2 people the transom cutout where the OB hooks on would have been underwater. That's why I sold it.

A picture of the boat would help.

Here, a mod just posted a link in another thread on how to post pictures in your thread:
http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=533219
 

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Re: 2005 ELH 25hp Murcury extra long shaft

Its a 2 stroke. Its Fiberlass but of course the Transom is wood covered by fiberglass. And I guess the bottom of the boat would also be wood and fiberglass. Im kinda worried now about using the motor on the boat. Problem is that I dont know what It would be worth on the market so if I traded it or sold it I wouldnt know if I was charging to much or too little. The motor is in excelent condition and I wouldnt want to trade it for a smaller HP that wasnt as good.
 

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Thanks for posting those pics. It helps. One thing I see might be a problem is that even if you put a jack plate on it to raise the outboard up which is needed or the cavitation plate (the large plate on the bottom of the lower leg). If its underwater it will drag and kick up a lot of spray. Mine rides on top of the water or a little below when boat is up on plane.

What I woul;d be concerned with is the style of that transom. Most rigs have a higher transom with a cutout that you hang the outboard on. That cutout when measured from top to the bottom of the transom is usually 20 inches.

If you were using say a 9.9 and slowed down real quick its not going to kick up much of a wake that bounces off the back of the transom. But a 25 hp and being a 2 stroke is nice and light and it will make that rig move pretty quick. So when you slow down real fast the wave washing back against the transom might come over the back. Same thing can happen if you're fishing and some jerk flys by you behind your rig on a big boat and throws off a big wake. . . If its a heavy 4 stroke you could be in trouble as the water line is high up on the transom. Your 2 stroke might not be as much of an issue but you have to get it in the water and see where the water line is?

I'm no expert on this stuff I'm just speaking from experience with small aluminum boats and outboards that are too heavy for them.
This is why when they build a boat, they attach a capacity plate on them. Problem is when you buy an older boat those plates were for 2 strokes that are much lighter than the newer 4 strokes. Most decent boats have whats called a splash well. If a wave washes over the transom most of it catches in the splash well and drains out the holes on each side back into the lake. From you pics and being homemade I don't see a splash well which makes it even more dangerous. This is why I sold a 13 foot aluminum because it had no splash well and waves would wash in from boats flying by when we would be sitting there fishing and it only had a 9.9 Merc 4 stroke on it.

Your boat being wood or fiiberglass would probably be OK for a 25 2 stroke. I'd still drive into a boat dealer and ask them their opinion as to that motor on your style homemade boat. All hulls are different.

If you are dead set on using that long shaft they make splash shields in plexiglass that attach to the left and right side of the transom which prevent waves splashing in. I think Lundboats.com search their baot catalog as I saw some of their models coming with splash shields last season. You are going to have to use a jack plate or build up the transom higher. I raised my outboard 1.5 inches by have an alumium bar made up a t a local metal shop. I'd also be concerned if you raised it higher you are throwing the center of gravity off. Can't tell until you try it as all hulls are different.

I'd put the outboard on the boat and see how it handles at low speed. Don't try and plane with it. Start another thread saying you need to know how much to ask for on Craigs List for a 2005 extra long shaft 2 stroke Merc? There are a lot of 2 stroke lovers out there so it will sell.
A shaft can be shortened but the cost is too much. You can also go to a boat rental place and rent a 25 hp for a few hours for a 20 inch transom, put it on your boat and see how it handles. Used ones pop up you just have to be patient and willing to drive out of town to pick one up.

Here is a link to what a transom splash shield looks like:
http://www.wavewackers.com/

I was going to add the plexiglass splash shield to my 13 foot aluminum (or make one myself) which had real low sides (called freeboard) but with all the expense, time and effort . . . I sold that boat and bought a brand new Sylvan 13 foot aluminum Alaskan deluxe complete with a full vinyl covered deck for like $1200! This model had real high sides. I already had the Merc 9.9 4 stroke for it.
 

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Re: 2005 ELH 25hp Murcury extra long shaft

Thanks alot for the response. I think I will get a smaller motor. I bought the boat from someone who bought the boat from the guy who made it. Dont know how well the boat or the transom is built. I start another thread and hopefuly I will get It sold. I really want to get back out on the water.
 

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Thats the best idea to sell it more so just because of the safety concerns are number one to everything else. Good decision on your part. Especially if you ever have any passengers on board homemade rigs and using a mis-matched outboard can be a recipe for disaster.
** Don't forget you can't advertise selling anything on this forum ** it's against their rules.

But you can ask others opinions on what your OB is worth. It should sell pretty fast. Someone who repairs outboards could convert it to a 20 inch shaft cheap because he can get the parts wholesale and ihis labor is free. We'd have to pay like $90 an hour labor plus double the parts!

Try Craigs List. It's free and say local pickup only. Dont ship it because CL has a lot of scammers. Only take cash. List if OB was used in salt or fresh water. Fresh water sells faster. Don't lie about it in ad cause salt water use can be spotted right away. Ignore any emails or calls from scammers that say they are buying for a client and they only have a certified (fake) check for $3000 and you should ship the motor to them and just keep the difference. You usually get these automatically as soon as you post your ad.

Here I looked it up for you here.
http://www.nadaguides.com/Boats/Outboard-Motors
I dont know you where you live as different regions get different prices for stuff.
I chose the EL model. But I think I have an EL and it does not stand for extra long. I think EL is the standard 20 inch shaft. Google what those Mercury letters stand for after the model.
I see apprx retail (from a dealer) at $2780 for the EL. And the average retail around $1150. So start 1/2 way (depending on your OB's condition). I'd start at $2,200 if you want it to move it. And let them talk you down to 2000 (buyers always want to think they are getting a bargain by talking you down). If it's in great condition I would not let it go for less than around 1800-1900 which is less than 1/2 the price of a new 2012 electronic fuel injected 4 stroke 25 hp Merc without power trim that probably lists for $4500. But a 2 stroke in the middle of the summer should sell quick for around $2000.

I scanned a few ads but 2005 OB's are usually listed with the boat included so it's tough to zero in on the O/B only. I'll look it up on one of the used boat or motor websites for you to give you a range.

I personally would list the OB at a fair price and dont say "or best offer" or they will try and talk you down. 2 strokes are getting scarce as some smaller lakes are banning them since the spew unburned oil into the water while running. But there are still a lot of die hards out there that want one because they are light weight and nimble (I also have a 1999 25 HP Merc 2 stroke too). When I start mine and idle at the dock I can see the slick on the water everytime. There are Etec 2 strokes that are a newer design and supposedly dont spew oil but they are over priced in my opinion and costly to fix. Other than an Etec some are just adictedd to the stink of the old 2 strokes (haha had to throw that one in, sorry) :D
 
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