2009 Glastron GT Bow Rider Purchase Question

nloltman

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I am a first time boat purchaser and have been dead set on purchasing either cobalt or crownline used...until i found a local boat dealer that has a new 2009 Glastron GT Bowrider with 5.0 Volvo Penta engine...for $18,800 which seems like a really good deal (below cost allegedly) and about what I would pay for a 6-7 year old crownline...i dont know a lot about glastrons or boats in general...i have noticed that there is a large difference in weights between a 20 ft glastron and crownline (3500 lbs on crownline vs 2700 lbs on glastron)...can anyone out there tell me if first this is a good deal and secondly any major differences between glastron and crownline or cobalt other than name and cost? Also if anyone has a 20 or 21 ft glastron for a while and their honest thoughts about it (good and bad)...thanks!
 

ThreeMileBayWaker

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Re: 2009 Glastron GT Bow Rider Purchase Question

Being a recent purchaser of a GT 205 myself, lemme tell you about what I thought about and why I went with a Glastron boat myself.

A little background here, My family has had a 1975 Glastron Tri-hull in our family for just over 35 years till a couple summers back when the 115hp Evirude washed its piston rings out and scored the **** out of the cylinders. The cost of repair was over $3k for machine work and labor to fix it, which was more than the boat was worth and we've been wanting a new boat for years. It was a very well made boat, and having such a good relationship with a boat makes you a fan of them.. here is a picture of her a couple summers back...

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I had been looking into boats for over a year now since our old one was gone. I looked at countless used boats trying to score a deal, but every used boat I went to look at had something significant wrong with it and I just could bring myself to purchase one of these mistreated boats. I could see the obvious things wrong with them, but I didn't know what else their may be down the road when it was in my name and my problem. So after soo many failures, I decided to say screw it and just purchase a new boat. Yes I know they are more expensive, will depreciate a lot BUT I will know her history and know she's been taken care of well.

Knowing our Boat show was coming up in February I was going to wait till then to try and score a left over 2009 if I could go that route.

My cousin has had a 2003 SX 195 w/ 3.0L Volvo since he bought it brand new in 2003 and has had nothing but good things to say about his. Only issue he's had was a bad motor mount, which was taken care of under warranty. I've seen him do the maintenance on them, helped install some extra speakers, and spent countless hours on the water with him in it. When he had made talks to selling it, he would also re-think and not want to part ways with such a good boat. This is his below.

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Having such a good experience with Glastron boats, its ultimately why I looked into them soo much. One of the key selling points on them to me was the VEC construction, which is an all fiberglass construction and do not use any wooden stringers within the hull construction. With out older Glastron, it had a wooden floor which we did have to replace once towards the transom.

A boat with this new technology was a HUGE reason I was interested in a Glastron. Glastron isn't the only boat manufacturer who uses this technology.

At the boat show, I was open to look at anything with a decent price and nothing over $30k. I however did fall in love with this Crownline...

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I however, didn't love the $49k price tag and could see the quality this boat had built into it. I'm only 23, and spending that much on my boat would be ridiculous. I saw some other bowrider boats there I liked for example, Cobalt, tahoe, starcraft, four winns and my dream Malibu Wakesetter.

I also stumbled upon this 2009 Rienell 191 LSE.

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It had many of the features I was looking for in a boat and $3k less than the Glastron. Plus I am a sucker for Obnoxious yellow. It did also have many options the Glastron didn't offer, like a transom trim function, both captain chairs had fold up bolsters, bow center seat section to turn into a full lounge, and came with canvas in the price. However, the boat was built with handlaid fiberglass and wooden stringers, and when I opened the engine compartment it reaked of fuel and had a puddle of something in the bilge for a boat that was supposedly brand new. I also didn't like the seats compared to the Glastron and the Rienell's seats just felt cheapo.

I did some research on this Rienell and found numerous horror stories on here about them, and even tho I had been approved I didn't want anything to do with this boat after then and went back to my gut feeling and submitted my order for my Glastron with all the options listed in my signature. After tax it ran me just shy of $30k.

As for your other questions, a Crownline would be considered an upper end boat along with some other like Chaparral, Donzi, baja etc. Other boats like Cobalt, Glastron, bay liner, starcraft, Rienell are entry level boats or your economy cars of the automotive world. Each have their selling points, different creature comforts, and hull construction. I said above why Glastron had me sold on them compared to other companies.

If you look at a boat like you would a car, its pretty much the same scenario. If you take a ride in a honda, you notice how the creature comforts inside are nice and serve their functions just well. It has front disc brake and rear drums. Overall, its a car that was built to function and its does just that. However, you got a take a ride in say an Acura. You feel more comfortable and can feel the difference in the quality of workmanship put into that car. It does the same job as the honda, but was built with better quality parts in some areas and added more creature comforts along the way, and has 4 wheel disc brakes. This same concept goes for boats.

You get what your paying for. The upper end boats are built with a little better quality parts which is also the reason for difference in weight between all the boats. More creature comforts, more the boat is going to weight.

As for as that deal goes... Damn, wish I had that up here by me. I would have snagged that up in a heart beat. Thats close to $1o,000 off what it was in the beginning of 2009. You won't be disappointed with a Glastron, they have been around for many years and MANY people have them as boats. However, if your wanting to cruise around in a higher level of comfort then you may want to look into the Crownline or Chaparral.

Hope this has helped!
 

GXL205 Deke

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Re: 2009 Glastron GT Bow Rider Purchase Question

No long History. Did lots of research and value costing for several months and bought my 07 GXL 205 last September which had been stored indoors all its life when not on the water and only 14 hours. I too was in search for a used Crownline like my brother in law bought. Poor brother in law, he cant pass a gas pump, as me and my MPI motor just keep on going wide open throttle sippin that gas. I am thrilled with my decision. As for Bang for buck, and amenities, go Glastron!

ThreeMileBayWaker was spot on except 1 point. There is nothing entry level about Cobalt. Those are top notch high end very fine boats right there with Crownline.

I am a value kind of guy. I want the most bang and performance for my dollar, and that is what I got. I wanted as close to new a 20ish footer as I could afford and in my price point for 20-25k I got a hard loaded powerful boat with 14hrs on it that would have had to be 8 to 10 years older in a Crownline or Cobalt, meaning carberated gas hog requiring no telling what kind of maintenance.

So, Yes that is a smokin deal on that boat your looking at.
 

jkust

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Re: 2009 Glastron GT Bow Rider Purchase Question

I bought my Chaparral a couple seasons back. The closest two dealers to me are a Sea Ray dealer and a separate Glastron dealer. Seemed like a reasonable place to start the search. Glastrons and especially the newest Glastrons have come a long way in the last few years. On the trailer compared to an upper level boat they are all starting to look nice and contemporary these day. You hit on the key as to one of the big reasons upper level boats are upper level. The heft. The boat manufacturers have done a great job of dressing up their boats but the proof is in the heft and the positive side effects of a heavier boat. That Crownline you mentioned is 26% heavier and that is simply a more robustly built boat. So I say all that and if you take a look at a new Bayliner 195 you will see that it weighs as much or more than some of the 'premium' brands and has a large gas tank (again seemingly only available on upper end brands). That seems to go agains my logic but it is what it is. Of course there is much more to a premium boat than just the weight as is obvious on the Bayliner 195. Someone also mentioned VEC technology versus wood. Don't get the wrong idea, wood and its superior properties are good things in a boat. VEC is a great production and sales tool for the manufacturers. The down side is a negligent owner can rot a wood boat with poor care. Ultimately, I chose the heavier but older boat that still had several things over the new midlevel boat brands (a couple years agon not so much now). It is easy to find 6 or 7 year old boats here in MN that have under 50 hours on them and ultimately thats what I did. The other thing that sours me on new boats besides the large depreciation hit is that in MN you don't pay sales tax on used boats which amounts to a lot of extra boat or gear. I am sure it was a mistype but someone mentioned Cobalt is an entry level boat. Cobalt is at the tip top of the pecking order for widely know boat brands. Of course there are many others like Formula but are in a different class. They unfortunatly quit making a Cobalt boat that will fit in my garage in 2003. You asked if it is a good deal. My opinion is you find a practically new, used upper end boat for that same money. I have seen dozens for sale this winter. In today's economy and all the surrounding circumstances, I believe you could do better.
 

cribber

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Re: 2009 Glastron GT Bow Rider Purchase Question

I don't have the 205 but do own the GT-185 with the 3.0l Penta and love it. I bought it new in 2008 for more it than they want for the one you are looking at. I went with Glastron because the hull and deck are all glass and likely the reason for the weight differences. I'm happy with mine and you'll likely enjoy the 205 as well.
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GXL205 Deke

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Re: 2009 Glastron GT Bow Rider Purchase Question

I am not buying all this wood and weight make for a better boat. I love this 205, and I see many with them on the water with no complaints. A well maintained glastron will give you years of service and great bang for the buck.
 

ThreeMileBayWaker

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Re: 2009 Glastron GT Bow Rider Purchase Question

ThreeMileBayWaker was spot on except 1 point. There is nothing entry level about Cobalt. Those are top notch high end very fine boats right there with Crownline.

I apologize. I was mislead myself then by another forum member a while back. Strike that one then. Thank you for correcting me.

I wouldn't say wood makes for a better boat, I just personally wanted to steer clear away from a boat with wooden stringers in its construction. 10-15yrs down the road I don't want to be tearing my boat apart to fix rotten stringers.
 

GXL205 Deke

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Re: 2009 Glastron GT Bow Rider Purchase Question

No doubt ThreeMile. I dont want to fix wood either. My VEC hull rides great and handles great.
 

jkust

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Re: 2009 Glastron GT Bow Rider Purchase Question

I apologize. I was mislead myself then by another forum member a while back. Strike that one then. Thank you for correcting me.

I wouldn't say wood makes for a better boat, I just personally wanted to steer clear away from a boat with wooden stringers in its construction. 10-15yrs down the road I don't want to be tearing my boat apart to fix rotten stringers.

It is easy to ensure a boat never rots. I have a dreaded 1984 Bayliner we bought in 1984 and its interior is as good as new (literally you would think the interior has been redone in original material but it hasn't). Didn't take much at all to ensure that was the case and the materials are pretty low quality and it has been stored outside all but 2 years. I suppose it is like anything, unless you directly compare on the water the ride under each circumstance, you will believe the marketing. Why wouldn't you? Now I think there is a play for technology here though. Something that can attain the properties of wood withought the excess weight. But then aren't there physics in play as well where the weight is what attributes to the ride? Can the argument be made that two identical looking boats one weighing 2200lb and the other weighing 3000lbs will perform the fundamental duties of a boat the same? What are the bonified benefits of the extra weight? Seems like there are none and the extra weight is a function of poor construction practices by using wood. We all seem to agree that Cobalt is pretty tip top and they no longer use wood but are still very heavily constructed. Maybe that is the middle ground.
 

GXL205 Deke

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Re: 2009 Glastron GT Bow Rider Purchase Question

We are talking about mid-size runabouts. Been for a ride in many on many different water conditions and drove a few. There just wasn't a discernible difference in the ride between my boat and the comparable in size Crownline, Chaparral, Four Winns, and Bayliner to me. That about covers all the price points, and I think he found a nice value in that boat he was looking at. Haven't been in a Cobalt but seen a few new ones on the water and I really like those boats, just not the wallop to the wallet you get. Bottom line its what you like, then how well you take care of it.
 

rw99

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Re: 2009 Glastron GT Bow Rider Purchase Question

I am a first time boat purchaser and have been dead set on purchasing either cobalt or crownline used...until i found a local boat dealer that has a new 2009 Glastron GT Bowrider with 5.0 Volvo Penta engine...for $18,800 which seems like a really good deal (below cost allegedly) and about what I would pay for a 6-7 year old crownline...i dont know a lot about glastrons or boats in general...i have noticed that there is a large difference in weights between a 20 ft glastron and crownline (3500 lbs on crownline vs 2700 lbs on glastron)...can anyone out there tell me if first this is a good deal and secondly any major differences between glastron and crownline or cobalt other than name and cost? Also if anyone has a 20 or 21 ft glastron for a while and their honest thoughts about it (good and bad)...thanks!

I have a new GT205 S&F arriving next week, and I had many of the same thoughts/experiences as I considered used boats. That $18,800 price you found is excellent and represents the best of both worlds: a new boat, fully warrantied, that has already taken a ~35% depreciation hit. Even if it doesn't prove to be the "right" boat for you, you won't lose much money reselling it in a year or two (as long as it's well-kept).

Glastrons are well-regarded, but entry level. I don't expect every piece of trim to be perfect on my new boat when it arrives, and there will be some things that won't look, feel, or operate as "high quality" as a Cobalt. On the other hand, I'm able to buy a top-of-the line trolling motor and fishfinders with just some of the money saved. And honestly, I don't want any boat that I'm going to fish on to be too "nice". Once you start spending $40k and up it's probably harder to keep from becoming a neat freak, and we all know that'll drive you insane on a boat.
 

jt185

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Re: 2009 Glastron GT Bow Rider Purchase Question

There is a GT 205 with a 5.0 and the XL package at our marina that is a demo boat for 24k if that makes you feel better. I just bought a GT 185. Have only 13 hours on the clock, but for the most part, so far so good. Although the "G" of the GT 185 lettering on the back of my boat fell off making it a T 185. The cool "Glastron" logo centered on the inside of bow is coming off too. I saw the salesman using acetone to remove factory crud the day I picked it up from the marina. Maybe he used too much, maybe it's because it's a lower end boat. Either way I'm going to have them fix the "stickers" at my 20 hr service while it's under warranty. I don't think Cobalt or Crownline are immune to such defects, but they are no doubt, superior quality construction for much more money. The VEC Glastron hull handles very well in the chop and slicing corners as do most of the modern designed hulls.

Seems to me that deal you've found for 18,800. is a good one for sure.
 
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