20hp Mercury won't idle

BSDenning

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A friend of mine has asked me to see if I can fix this 20hp Mercury. I have a few Evinrude and Johnson motors that I tinker around with, but I have never worked on a Mercury. From my research, I believe this is a 1974 model. The serial # is 3884074. The problem is that the motor will not idle. It will not crank in neutral. You have to put it in gear so that you can increase the throttle to about half throttle. Then the motor will crank and rev way up, but you have to throttle it down to get the RPM's back down. Then it is kind of a battle to keep the throttle high enough so that it won't die, but not too high to keep the motor from throwing a rod. It won't idle down without dying. My first thought was that the motor had a bad coil. I tested both coils with my multimeter as shown in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT8rk5QWgS0

One coil was showing me about 12 holms resistance between the spark plug wire and the ground. The other coil showed 1.3 holms resistance between the spark plug wire and the ground. So, I figured that the 1.3 was probably too low to fire the plug. I cranked the motor with only the good coil's spark plug wire attached and the motor ran pretty similar to how it did with both both wires attached. I attached the bad coil's spark plug wire and detached the good coil's wire. No matter how much I pulled, I couldn't get it to hit a lick. So, I was then pretty sure that the problem was a bad coil. I then looked into ordering a new coil. I learned that a new coil for this motor costs $65 - $70. So, I decided that before I spent that kind of money, I would switch the coils and then if the opposite plug fired than before, I would know for certain that the problem was a bad coil. So, today I switched the coils. Now the motor will crank and run with either wire detached from the plug. But, it still will not idle down without dieing. So, I decided to check the coils again with my multimeter. The coils both showed about 1.3 holms resistance. Now, I am completely perplexed. Is this method of testing coils not applicable to this type of coil? Or do I have 2 bad coils? Or, are the coils good, and perhaps the problem is somewhere else?

The motor has good compression, 100psi in each cylinder. I think I may take the motor out for a test run on the water tomorrow to see if I can get full power out of the motor.

I will greatly appreciate any and all advice on this problem. Thanks in advance.

-Bret
 

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Re: 20hp Mercury won't idle

I took the motor out for a test run on the water today. You just have to put it in gear and throttle it up to get it to crank. Then, when it cranks you have to be ready to go because it goes! I was probably running about 20 mph. So the motor is running at full power. Then after about a minute, the motor started slowing down because it was overheating. It looks like I need to get a new waterpump for this motor. But, I'm really second guessing my original thought about a coil being bad. Can I test the powerpack with my multimeter? I'm not used to an ignition system with a power pack. I'm used to the magnito ignition system.
 

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Re: 20hp Mercury won't idle

I have the carb soaking in carb cleaner. Hopefully rebuilding the carb will fix my no idle problem.

I am also trying to replace the impeller. How do I take the lower unit off? I have taken out a nut on the front and a nut on the back (right above the propeller), but it still won't come off. I'm thinking I need to disconect the shift linkage. How do I do that? :confused:
 

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I got the lower unit off. Interesting!!! You don't have to disconnect the shift linkage to remove the lower unit! Who'd uh thunk that??? So, the impeller is all broken into pieces. It looks like a new impeller should get this motor back to pumping fresh cooling water to the powerhead. Hey, I really appreciate all the help from everyone on here, I'll keep the questions coming! :D
 

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I am having a very difficult time finding a carb rebuild kit that includes the welch plug (freeze plug) for this motor. Unfortunately, I have already removed the welch plug, and destroyed it in the process. So, replacing it is not optional. Sierra and iboats have gasket kits, but I don't see a welch plug in the picture. I found the plug on the mercury webside but it says "not sold seperately" http://www.mercurypartsexpress.com/us/parts-search.html#mr1503ar17049 Any ideas on where I can find a kit with this welch plug, or the welch plug by itself?
 

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Re: 20hp Mercury won't idle

I have finally located a welch plug for this carburetor. I have ordered a carburetor gasket kit, a welch plug, and an impeller kit that comes with gaskets from Laing's Outboards. Jeff is a very helpful guy there. If anyone is having trouble finding parts, just give him a call. Just Google "Laing's Outboards" and their site will be the first to pop up.

So, I am now waiting for my parts to come in. My next question is "Should I use gasket sealer or any other type of bonding agent when I put the carburetor and the water pump back together?"
 

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Re: 20hp Mercury won't idle

Boy,you sure got a lot of help! I've worked on some lawn mower carbs and some car carbs. I've never used gasket sealer(or read about it being advised) in any of them. I have a 1960 15 Merc and had the carb partailly disassembled and had the fuel pump off. The gaskets showed no evidence of sealer having been used.

I've never replaced a welch plug in any of the lawn mower carbs I've repaired. Good luck and let us know how it goes.
 

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Boy,you sure got a lot of help! I've worked on some lawn mower carbs and some car carbs. I've never used gasket sealer(or read about it being advised) in any of them. I have a 1960 15 Merc and had the carb partailly disassembled and had the fuel pump off. The gaskets showed no evidence of sealer having been used.

I've never replaced a welch plug in any of the lawn mower carbs I've repaired. Good luck and let us know how it goes.

Thanks for the reply Cadro! I was starting to wonder if I setup the thread so that only I could respond to it!

The parts should come in the mail this week, so hopefully by next weekend I can let you know if this fixed the problem on the mercury. Yeah, I've definately learned my lesson to make sure I have a replacement before I pull out the welch plug. lol
 

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Re: 20hp Mercury won't idle

can anyone help me out with a parts diagramn of the carb? I've had it apart for a few weeks now, and I can't remember exactly how everything goes back together.
 

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Does anyone know a trick to getting this old gasket off that went between the carb and the crankcase? It is stuck on good...
 

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Re: 20hp Mercury won't idle

I'm out here in the shop right now with the laptop, so any ideas will be read in real time.
 

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Re: 20hp Mercury won't idle

BSD,
Scrape the old gasket off with a gasket scraper. Then, go to autozone or some other auto parts store and buy yourself some Black Felpro gasket material. I like 1/16" thick. Make your own gaskets. They're cheaper and arrive quicker..;) I bought a leather punch set at harbor freight really cheap and it works great to punch out the different size bolt holes in the gasket material. An exacto knife and pair of scissors does the rest. You can use the old gasket as a pattern, or put a couple of bolt holes in the material, lay it on the manifold and trace out the pattern.

No gasket sealer is needed on the carb gaskets or manifold gaskets. Be careful not to overtighten or unevely tighten the bolts on either, however. It will warp the bowl face and you're in trouble.

Here's a parts diagram for the '74 carb:
http://www.crowleymarine.com/mercury-outboard/parts/464_40.cfm


Good luck,
JBJ
 

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Re: 20hp Mercury won't idle

Thanks JBJ! I've got the correct gasket that came in my carb rebuild kit. I'm just having trouble getting the old gasket off. It looks like I'm going to have to buy a gasket scraper. I didn't even know such a thing existed! The gasket is coming off in pieces. I was using my pocket knife, but I was afraid that would scratch the crankcase.
 

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Re: 20hp Mercury won't idle

Just be as carefull as you can remomoving it. don't scar either side.
 

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I've got really bad news. I just realized that the motor is seized up!!! It must have seized up after it overheated a few weeks ago! Is there any hope for this motor??? :(
 

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I'd take off the recoil assembly and lower unit and remove the plugs and see if it's still stuck. Sometimes they can survive an overheat and sometimes they don't. I can tell you that those 70's 20hp mercs were powerful, fast motors that ran really smooth when tuned right, and had really stout lower units that would take a lot of bashing by stumps. But, those old boys can be moneypits. The switchboxes, triggers, and other such electrical parts can go out at any time and are darned expensive to replace. The lower units also have mild steel drive shafts and are extremely difficult to reseal properly when they're old. Pulling the bearing carrier without breaking it is no easy task, either. You need the proper tool and some luck. Keep that in mind if the pistons are scuffed too much even if you get it unstuck.
Good luck with it,
JBJ
 

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Re: 20hp Mercury won't idle

I sprayed a ton of WD-40 in the cylinders through the spark plug holes. Then I took the recoil assembly off and jiggled the flywheel back and forth. Finally I got it to move a little. Then a little by little I got it to go all the way around. Now it will turn freely, but I have no compression on the top cylinder... :(
 
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