255HP JetSki's & The Clueless

gstanton

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I gotta admit, it fries me a little that someone can "pull strings" to get off with something less than I, or anyone else can get.

Guess thats why I'm not a water cop.
 

External Combustion

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I keep on saying that Admiralty Law and Common Law are two coexisting forms of law in our country. Admiralty Law generally will take precidence as it is directly related to the commerce of the nation and relations with foriegn governments.

Yes, they do have the right to board at any time without probable cause. If one does not like it, get it changed. Your representative is there.

I also hate name droppers. It reminds me of Machisimo. "It does not matter what I do, it matters to whom I'm related". It has been the political downfall of the nations to our South. Respect for the law of the land has kept us free. As that respect dissapears, so does our freedom. I repeat, if you don't like a particular law, change it. Don't flaunt it, don't cop an attitude, don't try to get even on the scene. Learn the laws that apply to what you want to do and your life will be easier.
 

Alan Hicks

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Yes, they do have the right to board at any time without probable cause. If one does not like it, get it changed. Your representative is there.

The law as in the Constitution says they can't without a warrant. Of course liberal Supreme Court judges have seen it otherwise, but anyone reading the Constitution can see differently. No law takes precedence over the Constitution, no matter what anyone else says.

Or at least that's the way our Founding Fathers wanted it to be, and the way everyone should want it to be too. It's what's supposed to protect us from our own government, limiting its power to interfere with our lives. The Fourth Amendment should take precedence over any Congressional, State, or local law granting the authorities any privileges in United States territory, including its territorial waters.

If the OP was in international waters (which he did not say but I highly doubt since he said he was coming to a dock) then they certainly had the right to board.
 

bamadave

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gotta love ignorance. Hate to say, but on the water, the marine patrol CAN board your boat at ANY time they wish, WITHOUT A WARRANT. They don't even have to state what they want. Don't like it, sell your boat. Does not have to be in international waters.
 

SnappingTurtle

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BOARDING VESSELS AND TOWING

When boarding a vessel, probable cause is required by 13 states. Forty-four states allow marine enforcement officers to randomly inspect vessels for safety. Only Mississippi prohibits marine enforcement officers from towing distressed vehicles. 50 States & 1 district, Washington DC, plus the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, a self-governing unincorporated territory of the United States, allow citations for “negligent operation” of watercraft (Florida, Maine, South Dakota, and Virginia have their own variations of these laws).

It varies from State to State. Questions about your State?

Look here:
http://uscgboating.org/regulations/Nasbla_Ref_Guide_6.pdf

On page 50, is a table with all States listed and their corresponding laws for searching, boarding, and towing.

Know your rights, and those of your States “LEA” before you blow your top.
 
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CATransplant

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In North Carolina, where the original post originated, law enforcement offers do not need probable cause to stop or board boats. Random safety inspections are also allowed in NC.

While that may appear to go against constitutional rights, that's the law in that state. The link posted in the previous post is worth checking out for your own state.
 

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On another note, I often get a visit from a random DNR's conservation officer on lakes around here. They pull up alongside and want to check my catch and license. Of course, since I'm 100% catch and release, there's nothing to see unless I'm in the process of landing a fish, and my fishing license is always in my shirt pocket in a little ziploc bag.

I never mind this. In fact, I can often get some good information about where folks are doing well with their fishing on the lake. Many times, I've taken their information and had a great day of fishing.

Last time I got a visit from a DNR CO on the lake, he wanted to check my equipment, too. OK. I have a 12' aluminum boat with a 6hp outboard. I don't have to have much on board, really, in a legal sense. And yet, you'll find a pair of oars, three PDFs, a very, very loud horn, fire extinguisher, anchor, and all that sort of thing. I don't have a VHF radio, because nobody really monitors them on the small lakes I fish, but I do have my cell phone.

The CO just laughed when I showed him my safety gear and said, "Well, that oughta do it."
 

marine4003

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I gotta admit, it fries me a little that someone can "pull strings" to get off with something less than I, or anyone else can get.

Guess thats why I'm not a water cop.

I guess you didnt read my post very well.....you state i "got off"with something....Hell,man,i didnt DO ANYTHING,thats my point,there was nothing wrong with my boat..my papers..ANYTHING.The DNR officers felt like exerting there position,and if i had in fact violated any rules/laws/regulations ect..i'd take what ever punishment dolled out.But there was NO REASON for them to come on like gangbusters,so to push back,i called a favor.Big Deal.
 

orion25

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I just wonder what all of this boarding, marine police, etc. has to do with 255 HP jet skis and the clueless?
 

marine4003

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Well,See..it kinda went off on a tangent,got sidetracked.my original story/rant delved into,what i feel was improper actions taken by two erstwhile bums-on-boats,and the subsequent feedback i received by my "pulling strings" bad business,that. Anyway witnessed another clueless jetski fiasco, southbound on ICW, local casino boat pulls away from dock,JS riders looking back..then looking forward,realize ship bow is in direct path...swerve..HARD. right into marsh adjoining ICW.Yup, done gone and disappeared into 6' marsh grass......LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
 

wildmaninal

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I was out fishing with my brother in his boat since mine was down during the last day memorial weekend. We has out by an island called Hog Island on Weiss lake. I seen this jet ski out in the distance, well I just got through telling my brother "man that jet ski looks like it is riding sort of rough". Just after I said that the driver flips the ski over and throws him and the passenger off. What it was they were making their own wakes and jumping them etc etc.

They got it turned back over and got back on, it took them a moment to shake it off, then they finally left the area most likely they fealt like idiots.

One of my cousins was telling me how she nearly swung a passenger that she was pulling on a tube into a dock or boat house :rolleyes:.
 

Vikesfan

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So where's my video camera when i need it ?? Took the smaller boat out yesterday for a run up the ICW,Not many boaters out,but alot of jetski's....as i went thru Little River i saw a new jetski rental dock,filled with brite/shiny new silver/orange jetskis,just great,another bunch of clueless tourists buzzing around,getting in my way. On the return trip a pack of these things was headed in..headed right at me,so i slowed down...there was one who kept coming...and coming...theres not alot of maneuvering room so i turned to starboard....so did the JS...i turned port....so did JS, finally i shut it down,then realized this fool was still going full-tilt-boogie coming right at my 12, at the last second the JS turns...fear on the driver&passenger's face..and proceeds to steam up and into the marsh,yup,mud..sawgrass.Fool went 25 yards into this mess before finally stopping.A bout 2 min's later they come drudging back to waters edge,i picked them up & brought them back to the rental dock.Here's the thing...these rentals are the new 255HP boats...the instruction on how to operate these rockets lasts 3 min.These kids (17 & 15) had never operated JS before..someones...gonna...die....

What rental place rents out RXT-X's and RXP-X's? I work at a boat and Jetski rental place for fun on the weekends and our rental ski's are lower end and large so they only run about 50 mph. The ones that go faster we electronically limit because of the danger of unexperienced riders. I am an experienced rider and have a modified Seadoo XP that runs about 65. I had the opportunity to ride a RXP-X at the National Races at Nashville Shores with a few of the racers and it was a handful for me. That is a ski that should not be available for rent anywhere. It is a race ski that will do 0 to 50 in under 3 seconds with a top speed near 68. Whoever is renting those out is just asking to get somebody killed. You should be required to pass a boating safety course just to buy one of these. It's the unexperienced and selfish PWC rider that gives all off us a bad name.

As a side note, I think that all Jet skiers and Boaters should be required to pass a boating safety course to buy and operate a boat or PWC. There are way too many people on the lake that don't understand basic boating principles such as no wake zones, right of way, or how to read channel markers. You have to have a license to drive a car but why not a boat or PWC? It seems crazy that all you have to do is spend a little money and you can get on the water with absolutely no idea about what you are doing.
 

jay_merrill

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In most places, DNR officers tend to be assigned to specific areas. While they may be called into other areas for duties such as a SAR, they get to know a specific area and spend most of their time there. If you boat in the area that you were in frequently, chances are you will see them again.

Gee, I wonder how helpful those two officers are likely to be if you need them someday. Answer: Probably very helpful because its their job and they are professional enough to do it.

Next time check the "tude" and cooperate - the event will be over much faster with a lot less angst.
 

marine4003

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In most places, DNR officers tend to be assigned to specific areas. While they may be called into other areas for duties such as a SAR, they get to know a specific area and spend most of their time there. If you boat in the area that you were in frequently, chances are you will see them again.

Gee, I wonder how helpful those two officers are likely to be if you need them someday. Answer: Probably very helpful because its their job and they are professional enough to do it.

Next time check the "tude" and cooperate - the event will be over much faster with a lot less angst.

Perhaps your reading comprehension skills are a tad off today,I DID COOPERATE. more than i should of.There was no reason for the DNR to board my boat "looking for contraband"originally i was stopped because of a complaint of excessive speed thru a congested area..with NO description of the boat given.just because im in a go-fast that doesn't give them the right to hassle me.In fact these two rednecks with badges acted extremely unprofessional and never gave me the impression the incident was nothing more than "lets hassle the folks in the pretty boat"
I am i licensed captain with a Masters,delivered boats all up & down the east coast,dealt with CG - DNR - Marine Patrol ect for 28 years NEVER have i dealt with two major idiots like these.So,please,stop assuming that just because there law enforcement,there infallible.
 

orion25

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Perhaps your reading comprehension skills are a tad off today,I DID COOPERATE. more than i should of.There was no reason for the DNR to board my boat "looking for contraband"originally i was stopped because of a complaint of excessive speed thru a congested area..with NO description of the boat given.just because im in a go-fast that doesn't give them the right to hassle me.In fact these two rednecks with badges acted extremely unprofessional and never gave me the impression the incident was nothing more than "lets hassle the folks in the pretty boat"
I am i licensed captain with a Masters,delivered boats all up & down the east coast,dealt with CG - DNR - Marine Patrol ect for 28 years NEVER have i dealt with two major idiots like these.So,please,stop assuming that just because there law enforcement,there infallible.

Perhaps yours are off too. No where in the thread title nor in the first post does it reference an un-necessary DNR stop, pulling strings, captain's license, etc. Build a bridge, get over it. So what if a couple of underpaid LE's interrupted your day. Did they arrest you wrongly, detain you illegally, etc? No! Life is too short for you to worry about this. Hell, If I worked for the DNR in your area I would continue to harass you in the future and I would dare anyone to fire me for doing what is called for in my job. It almost sounds like you had something to hide.............

Anyway, anyone else got any other funny clueless jet flea rider stories?
 

marine4003

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Perhaps yours are off too. No where in the thread title nor in the first post does it reference an un-necessary DNR stop. Hell, If I worked for the DNR in your area I would continue to harass you in the future and I would dare anyone to fire me for doing what is called for in my job. It almost sounds like you had something to hide.............

Anyway, anyone else got any other funny clueless jet flea rider stories?

You amuse me,First of all,I started this thread.So,i went off on a tangent,Guess what? that's my prerogative.Second,with that attitude,perhaps you should join the DNR, evidently,you'd fit right in.And 3-My comment wasn't directed to you,so if you want to instigate an argument,find another thread.
 

erikgreen

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Hey, settle down guys.

There's no reason to be prickly about things here. Maybe instead of questioning someone's reading comprehension (a personal attack) you could instead suggest "you might want to re-read post XXX above".

This is a friendly board, let's keep it that way.

Erik
 

Gary H NC

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Well,being i have been boarded and searched for no freakin reason here in NC i know exactly how Marine4003 feels.
While i was being searched 2 jet skis went by running WOT.Do you think the cops even noticed? Heck no!
I guess they looked at my OLD boat and thought they could find reasons for a ticket.
I carry twice the amount of safety equiptment that i need.
The cops acted like they were peed off that they could not find anything.
Abuse of power? I think so!!
 

jay_merrill

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Since I was the person who's reading skills were questioned, I'll simply say that I'm not surprised by the comment. Nor am I impressed or concerned. Somehow, the five post secondary level diplomas hanging on the wall next to me, make me feel like I kind of get it when it comes to comprehension.

So, here's what I comprehend. While you seemed to feel you were being polite, the first thing you did was to question the LEO's on why you were being singled out. And, while you may not have felt that you were argumentative, in most situations, such behavior will be viewed exactly as that. The next thing in your post was about your "HOT" wife and her temper. Although I'm not sure what her being attractive has to do with anything (unless it is merely an attempt to impress us all), I'll move on. Next, we have both you and your wife getting pissed off and having steam coming out your ears, with the LEOs, no doubt, sensing the hostility. This is another scenario that begs for a couple of unhappy LEO's, who were probably thinking you had something to hide. As for the business about being a licensed Captain, etc., do you have any idea how often LEO's are lied to? Start with trying to guess how many times a day.

In regard to the phone call, perhaps it was appropriate for it to happen at some point. That said, conducting the call during the boarding, with obvious hostility, is not what most people would call a smart thing to do. Given the demeanor of your posts here (including the one about being a big deal because you have a construction company with 45 people, to which some folks might chuckle because they have managed organizations with vastly more people than that, in individual departments), I suspect that you worsened your own situation. Cops are cops, it doesn't matter if they are from the local PD or DNR - they are taught to be agressive and to take control of a situation. Pissing them off is just fuel on the fire and that is why being cooperative is the smarter thing to do. If you felt that you were mistreated, the appropriate thing to do would have been to make the call after the event was over and both of you calmed down.

Sometimes LEOs do get out of line. That said, when you are approached by such folks, you never know what they have just been dealing with, or might have dealt with recently. For all you know, they may have retrieved the body of a child run over by some "go-fast boat" the day before, and may have been traumatized by the experience. I'm not going to get into a bunch of personal stories here, but I will say that recovering dead people isn't a whole lot of fun and, depending on a person's individual coping skills, can affect a his/her behavior for some time. I guess the point that I am making is that, LEOs or not, you are dealing with people, and that means you are dealing with the full range human behavior that goes with the person.

As I mentioned before, there is a very likely possibility that you will see these officers again. This is true because, even with your "buddies," you most likely won't get them fired, even if you try to. First of all, your friend the judge isn't going to risk his career over his wife's self impressed friends. In this era, if there is one thing the public hates, its people in a position of power trying to crap on "the little guy" just because they can. You can bet any attempt by a person in office to do that, would end up making both print and television news in a heartbeat. So, unless your judge buddy is a very stupid guy, you've gotten all of the "play" out of this that you are going to get.

I'll stick with my original take on this - next time use your smarts instead of your ego. Let the LEOs do what they feel they need to and be cooperative. Make idle conversation with them, be agreeable and be friendly. I would even suggest that you should have commiserated with them about the other "go-fast boat," and then thanked them for following up on the report. Had you and your wife done so, the whole thing most likely would have been over quickly.

As a parting comment, I'll simply repeat a bit of sage wisdom passed on to me my one of my mentors in business a very long time ago - its a lot easier to get people to do what you want them to do if they personally like you. Something to think about.
 

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Uh,Uh....Thanks for the advice.
 
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