28 Johnson

6228SH

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I had written about ignition problems in a thread titled "lost"-the problem there has been resolved but I still need help in a bad way- I have a '62 28 HP Johnson-I have rebuilt carb,synched the timing to linkage,put on new points,condensors,and coils.new plugs.everything gapped /set to specs.after the ignition work,I now have all kinds of hot spark but the motor seems to be starving for gas,or has a huge air leak?-it will start as though its going to run great but dies almost immediatly.with choke it will kind of hang in for a few seconds and die.there is a good flow of fuel to the carb and I just went back through the carb itself-cleaned it took out needle seat blew it all out,checked float level,etc-I could hear the carb filling up as I primed it.early on,I had problems with lean sneeze and finally had it running pretty well but it would die after running awhile(like on the opposite side of the lake as the ramp)-I had been troubleshooting this when I lost spark all together-now lots of spark after replacing ignition parts-and this new condition...when It had the sneeze issues,I sprayed fuel mix everywere looking for a leak but could not see a change,or indication of it leaking/sucking air anywere.I need to tap into the experience of others at this point-what should I do?
 

aguitarestv

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Re: 28 Johnson

check the fuel line pressure. no idea what the specs are on that motor are but i belive it should be around 2.8 psi not sure but just an idea some one should back me up with the specs and/or other ideas
 

BoatBuoy

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Re: 28 Johnson

They also behave that way if they get a load of water in the float bowl. Are you sure it's getting good fuel.
 

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Re: 28 Johnson

as for fuel pressure,I am going on seeing it-dont know how many pounds but it pumps it out nice when turning the key,and pumping the primer dosent seem to change anything-it did get firm after carb was filled.
water in gas-huh.you know,I was going on the theory that it fired on this gas last week but didnt consider that we have had rain lately.I keep the tank covered but it could have still gotten water in if the vent was open-this gives me hope.I'm new to two strokes-the gas looks blue with the oil in it,plus I have staybill in there-will water be apparent by looking in the tank?
 

samo_ott

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Re: 28 Johnson

The water will be at the bottom of the tank. Gas floats.
 

6228SH

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Re: 28 Johnson

hard to see in the tank itself,but I used the primer to pump out some sample fuel and see no water.I see no indication in the fuel pump sight glass either.I drained and flushed the lines and carb -re filled and no improvement.if there was enough water in the fuel to keep it from running,wouldnt it be obvious looking at it in a clear container? the thing is,I'd just dump this out and try fresh stuff( and may end up doing so) but if it isnt the fuel I'm wasting about 20 bucks in doing so and already in bad shape money wise from tossing new parts at this thing!
 

gejandsons

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Re: 28 Johnson

Borrow a tank & hose from someone & see if it does the same thing. If so it eliminates several things you need to check.
 

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Re: 28 Johnson

today I poured all the gas into another tank,and about half gallon at a time poured it into a clear containter and then slowly poured about 2/3s back into the boat tank.I was able to see some water this time.I cleared all the lines with air,drained the pump check bowl and the float bowl and topped off the tank with fresh gas/oil.it started(THANKS!) but is running poorly with some sneezing,etc-should I continue letting it run like this awhile to try to push through whatever water is left before adjusting the needle setting?
 

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Re: 28 Johnson

Go ahead and adjust it. The passages in that carb are so huge that any water will go right on through, as long as there is gas to run it. Of course if it is all, or mostly all water, it won't run.
 

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Re: 28 Johnson

thanks-will look theese things over agian tommorow.I'm not new to ressurecting old junk but this has been a challenge and I'm up for any suggestions.
 

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Re: 28 Johnson

today,the motor acted as if it were starving for fuel agian-pump is pumping to carb,float bowl seems to be filling up-I poured all the gas in another container and bought 3 new gallons.agian,blew out all the lines,drained and blew out carb,etc. and cant get it to fire.sometimes it will barely run with choke but it is pretty much dead and I am out of things I know to try.beyond the normal problems,what oddball "never happens" stuff could be to blame?I am already in debt from trying to get this thing running and have 3 little girls who have mentioned how at least when we fished from the bank we got to go try-now all I do is work on the boat! HELP!
 

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Re: 28 Johnson

Compression should be 100+ psi and even on both cylinders. Is it?

With the spark plugs removed, at cranking speed, the spark should jump a 1/4" gap with a strong blue lightning like flame.... a real SNAP! Does it?

Spark plugs should be either Champion J4C or J6C plugs gapped at .030 . The J6C is slightly hotter and may result in improved performance.

If you've had the flywheel off, the flywheel nut should have been torqued down to 105 foot pounds unpon reinstallation. Was it?

The flywheel key must be aligned with the fiber rubbing portion of the points when setting the points. Set them so that a .020 gauge will pass thru but a .022 will not.

Anything under 105 foot pounds will result in a sheared flywheel key (out of time).

If the above three items are okay, and there are no fuel/air leaks anywhere, that leaves the carburtetor of which it is easy to overlook something.

Some boaters have a habit of switching parts around from other engines so I don't know if your carburetor has one adjustable (slow) needle valve or two (slow/high) so I'll include the adjustments for both below.

If the carb has one adjustable needle valve, there will be a fixed brass high speed jet located in the bottom center of the float chamber. If you haven't cleaned that jet out manually with a piece of single strand wire, do so to make sure that it is absolutely clean with no restriction absolutely.

Did you install a new small round cork gasket on the vertical venturi nozzle? It's got to be there.

Carburetor Adjustment - Single S/S Adjustable Needle Valve)
(J. Reeves)

Initial setting is: Slow speed = seat gently, then open 1-1/2 turns.

Start engine and set the rpms to where it just stays running. In segments of 1/8 turns, start to turn the S/S needle valve in. Wait a few seconds for the engine to respond. As you turn the valve in, the rpms will increase. Lower the rpms again to where the engine will just stay running.

Eventually you'll hit the point where the engine wants to die out or it will spit back (sounds like a mild backfire). At that point, back out the valve 1/4 turn. Within that 1/4 turn, you'll find the smoothest slow speed setting.

Note: As a final double check setting of the slow speed valve(s), if the engine has more than one carburetor, do not attempt to gradually adjust all of the valves/carburetors at the same time. Do one at a time until you hit the above response (die out or spit back), then go on to the next valve/carburetor. It may be necessary to back out "all" of the slow speed adjustable needle valves 1/8 turn before doing this final adjustment due to the fact that one of the valves might be initially set ever so slightly lean.

When you have finished the above adjustment, you will have no reason to move them again unless the carburetor fouls/gums up from sitting, in which case you would be required to remove, clean, and rebuild the carburetor anyway.

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(Carburetor Adjustments - Two Adjustable N/Vs)
(J. Reeves)

Initial settings are: Bottom high speed = seat gently, then open 1 turn out. Top slow speed = seat gently, then open 1-1/2 turns.

Setting the high and low needle valves properly:

NOTE: For engines that DO NOT have a shift selection, obviously there is no NEUTRAL position. Simply lower the rpms to the lowest setting to obtain the low speed needle valve adjustment.

(High Speed) Start engine (it will run pretty rough), shift into forward gear, take up to full throttle. In segments of 1/8 turn, waiting for the engine to respond between turns, start turning in the bottom high speed needle valve. You'll reach a point whereas the engine will either start to die out or spit back (sounds like a mild backfire). At that point, back out the needle valve 1/4 turn. Within that 1/4 turn, you'll find the smoothest setting.

(Low Speed) Slow the engine down to where it just stays running. Shift into neutral. Again in segments of 1/8 turns, start to turn the top needle valve in. Wait a few seconds for the engine to respond. As you turn the valve in, the rpms will increase. Lower the rpms again to where the engine will just stay running. Eventually you'll hit the point where the engine wants to die out or it will spit back. Again, at that point, back out the valve 1/4 turn. Within that 1/4 turn, you'll find the smoothest slow speed setting.

When you have finished the above adjustments, you will have no reason to move them again unless the carburetor fouls/gums up from sitting, in which case you would be required to remove, clean, and rebuild the carburetor anyway.
 

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Re: 28 Johnson

thanks Joe-all of those things I could put a check mark to except compression-I will see if I can borrow a tester; and In setting the points I rotated the crank to were the points seemed to be most open to set them but the key was a few degrees off from that point so the gaps may not be correct after all.I cant pull the flywheel without borrowing a socket from work but will double check everything else in the meantime.agian,thanks to all for the guidance and sorry to have been an ***-may be a good day to go fish from the bank and get away from the project for awhile.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: 28 Johnson

Go to the trouble to reset the points as I entered them. Guessing at the area of widest point setting results in actually having the engine slightly out of time.

Keep us informed.
 

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Re: 28 Johnson

went out today and rechecked everything-finally decided to check the spark through the plugs-weak and bouncing around on the inside instead of were it should be-a stuck some old plugs in and it fired up.so,off I went to buy new plugs.got home,checked the gap ,stuck them in and it fired right up.went back to begin adjusting the low speed needle and notice zero water comming out the exhaust...I pulled the lower end off and my brand new factory impellor has only 2 veins intact! I should probably begin posting on the other thread about impellors,but will the dealer stand behind this,or am I buying another? I put gear lube on the veins before running it.
 
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