3.0 vs 4.3 EFI

Willy.Fire

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Hi. I have the opportunity to trade up from a 09 18' that i have with the 3.0L to a 2010 19.5 with the 4.3 220hp efi for not to big of a price difference. Same make of boat with similar features other then length and engine. I do like our 3.0 its great on fuel and gets what we need done out of it but this deal popped up and has me thinking. We are a growing family of 5 and I think the 4.3 would be nice when we are loaded up and wanting to do water sports. I don't have any experience with EFI how reliable are they and are they similar to a car starting system ? The issue with the new boat is it was not used at all last year. Maintenance history prior to that was good but it has sat for 1/1/2 years unused. I would do I complete check on it including new fuel and water test but what kind of issues could I be looking at with it sitting for so long?
 

achris

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Sitting it not the problem. The question is how was it prepared for the sit? Biggest issues will be possible rust in the bores, from air borne moisture. And fuel. Petrol does not do well after about 6 months. Personally, I would empty the tank and have it cleaned, drain all the lines, change the filters and have the injectors cleaned.

As for an MPI reliability. Generally better than points and carbs. In 11 years my engine has only had the IAC fail. A $45 fix. Other than that, just the regular oil and filters, and one set of spark plugs.

Chris. ..
 

Willy.Fire

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It was winterized at the dealership and has sat since then ( has records) He is in the process today of having it completely drained of fuel and is planning on firing it up on muffs with fresh fuel. I suggested adding seafoam at least to the new fuel before starting. The more i read about 3.0 vs 4.3 I am leaning towards going ahead with this. Especially with EFI. Price difference is around $750
 

achris

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4.3MPI is a very nice engine. Prop it right at the top end of the range, 4800rpm.

With starting, just turn the key on, wait for the fuel pump to stop running (you can hear it), lift the fast idle lever (or use the 'throttle only' on the remote) slightly, and turn the key till it fires. When you run it on muffs, run it at about 1400rpm, or you can draw water back into the cylinders through the exhaust manifolds.

Chris
 

Rick Stephens

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You will love the 4.3. Almost double the power and if you stay out of the wide open throttle, get similar fuel usage to the 3.0L. I can state that as fact since I took the identical hull and ran both engines. Would not go back. Mine is carbureted but purrs like a kitten. The 4.3 is a LOT quieter than the 3.0 as well. You will appreciate being able to talk in normal voices.
 

Willy.Fire

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I've read some mixed reviews about the fuel mileage comparison. Is there others with experience on them being very similar? It is not a huge issue but here in Canada fuel is not cheap and we use our boat a lot.
 

achris

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I've read some mixed reviews about the fuel mileage comparison. Is there others with experience on them being very similar? It is not a huge issue but here in Canada fuel is not cheap and we use our boat a lot.

Without putting a 3 litre in a boat and running it under control conditions and recording the results, then pulling the 3 litre and dropping a 4.3MPI in and doing the same thing under exactly the same conditions, it's very difficult to get a direct comparison.

We can however use some logic and mechanical principles.

The 3 litre produces about 130hp. So up to the point where the 4.3 is producing 130hp, the amount of fuel burnt by each engine is going to be very similar (x-hp will require y-litres/hr to produce)... Once the 4.3 is making more that 130hp, it will use more fuel (more hp requires more fuel). So on a straight litres/hour, then yes, the 4.3 will use more beyond 130hp. The other side of that coin is that by producing more hp, the 4.3 will push the boat quicker, so will cover more distance than the 3 litre. So the miles per gallon will be similar, or could even be a tad better with the 4.3. And you'll get to your destination quicker, allowing more fishing time :D

ok, before the bandwagon comes along and jumps all over this saying that as the boat speed increases, the hydrodynamic drag will increase by the square, also consider, on a moderate Vee hull, as the boat speed increases, it rides up higher on the Vee and the amount of hull in water, and therefore the drag, decreases, so they 'balance out', roughly...

I have done all the fuel flow vs boat speed vs rpm for my boat, and my most economical speed is 27 knots, which is quite fast.

Just remember, bigger more powerful engine doesn't always equate to more fuel used. (a lot is controlled by your right hand too ;)) Example. I have a Toyota Landcruiser. Had the dog 4.2 litre Toyota naturally aspirated diesel in it when I bought it. Got about 15 litres/100km... I pulled that and dropped a 6.5 litre V8 turbo diesel in, and I get about 12.5 litres/100km now... And the difference when I am towing the boat is even more. :) :)

Hope this helps....

Chris..........

BTW, we (Australians) are paying about $US3.75/USGallon. (about $AU1.35/litre). What's the price in Canada? (and the US if anyone would like to chime in...) Canadian dollar is very close to 1:1 with the Aussie dollar... :)

Just found a website with Canadian fuel prices. Look about the same as Australian (very slighly cheaper in Canada, a few cents).... Same site gives USA prices... :eek: we're paying around 40% more than what they are in the US... NOT FAIR!
 
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Willy.Fire

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Yes that's right we are similar to you. Wow thanks for the great reply. That makes sense now. Setting up a day this week to go have a look at this new boat with the 4.3 mpi in it and if all good will probably come home with it :)
 

Maclin

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4.3MPI is a very nice engine. Prop it right at the top end of the range, 4800rpm.

With starting, just turn the key on, wait for the fuel pump to stop running (you can hear it), lift the fast idle lever (or use the 'throttle only' on the remote) slightly, and turn the key till it fires. When you run it on muffs, run it at about 1400rpm, or you can draw water back into the cylinders through the exhaust manifolds.

Chris



Chris, I had not heard about the 1400 rpm to keep potential exhaust reversion from happening. Is this from the manual or from from your experience? Thanks.
 

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Gas prices -$2.45 to 2.75 a gallon for 87 octane ethanol for the car. $3.95 at the marina for 91 octane non ethanol
 

achris

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Chris, I had not heard about the 1400 rpm to keep potential exhaust reversion from happening. Is this from the manual or from from your experience? Thanks.

Both. We were the first boat shop in Australia to identify the problem of reversion on muffs. Apparently it even had the USA boffins stumped. Now, all new 4.3 engines have in the handbook this 'detail'. And as most people don't read the handbook :facepalm:, most don't even know about it. I shall climb up into my boat and drag down the manual, scan and post here the appropriate page...

Chris..........
 

achris

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Ok, I have the pages. I have joined them in Paint... It tells you to advance the throttle to 1300 +/- 100rpm (my bad, I thought it was 1400 :facepalm:)... but not why. I know from my experience with these engines that the reason is reversion....

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