3 different forums and no solution for 9.9hp lack of power

jbjennings

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Re: 3 different forums and no solution for 9.9hp lack of power

The choke is closing FULLY and it won't start without a shot of premix? THe only thing I can think of would be a misadjusted float. Could this be your problem? Are your throttle gears meshed properly?
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noelm

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Re: 3 different forums and no solution for 9.9hp lack of power

I am not too sure why all the confusion, lets look at what was said way way back, "it was OK before the carby "cover" was fitted" now just by thinking about it for a second, is it not obvious that it has something to do with that??? sure there is a possibility that the spark somehow failed at the same time, or some other miracle occurred, but after mucking about with just about everything on the Motor from the flywheel key to the gear Oil, and everything in between, there could be a lot more than 1 fault now!
 

ba_50

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Re: 3 different forums and no solution for 9.9hp lack of power

Nobody knows I guess.
 

steelespike

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Re: 3 different forums and no solution for 9.9hp lack of power

Have you tried to see if it responds to a little choke at speed?
No cold start without a prime sure indicates a serious fuel supply problem.
Low float level?Maybe some sort of vacume leak?Have you tried to carefully spray a little fuel mix into the carb at speed.At least that would prove if lean or not.Does the boat plane but lack speed?Is it possible to try it with the old cover?Have you compared the 2 covers?Do the plugs look right? Are they burning the same?
 

CATransplant

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Re: 3 different forums and no solution for 9.9hp lack of power

I'm not sure what you mean by adjusting #25. I adjusted the low speed needle and the # 20. #23 just screws in if you are talking about the high speed jet.

The spark tester showed it was firing at just below full throttle.

One other problem is it won't start unless it gets a shot of pre-mix. After that it starts first pull. The choke is closed.

The thing is that we can't see or try things on your outboard. That means you're going to get a lot of ideas, some of which won't work to solve the problem.

Now, you're telling us some new information...the fact that it won't start cold without being primed, even with the choke fully on. That's a new symptom.

The problem began with the new top for the carburetor, right? That's what you said. You also said that you had to cut the little hose shorter to make it fit.

What I'm wondering right now is whether you have the right top for your carburetor. Small changes get made in those carbs every year. In addition, the carburetor on your engine may not be the original carburetor. That happens a lot.

Bottom line is that not enough fuel is going into the carb or getting through the carb to mix with the air. Float level is one possible issue. A clogged jet is another. A clogged passage somewhere in the carb is another.

We aren't going to suddenly be able to come up with some "Eureka" solution for your problem. We're not there, and we're not getting all the information we need.

On the forum here, there are some really good troubleshooters, but with difficult problems, it's all a matter of question and answer. The more information we have, the easier it gets.

So, let's look at all the information we have, along with all the questions people have asked in this thread. I don't think they've all been answered, and somewhere in there lies the solution.

So, lets start from the beginning: How long have you owned this outboard? Did this outboard run right at some point since you've owned it? What was the reason for buying the new cover for the carb? Was it a new one? How did you determine that was what you needed to get.

What was the problem with the outboard before you made this repair? What did you do to try to fix it before swapping out the top of the carb? Have you tested the fuel pump? Have you checked every fuel line connection, from the tank to the fuel inlet on the carb?

Did you thoroughly clean the carburetor before installing the new top? How did you set the float level. Did you change anything else in the carburetor? Have you tested the compression on this outboard? Has it ever overheated? Any other problems with it?

Answer all those questions and we'll be closer to a solution for your problem.

We'll stick with it and try to help, but you've got to chime in. That we've just found out that you needed a prime to start it cold is new info. We need all the info.
 

Howard Sterndrive

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Re: 3 different forums and no solution for 9.9hp lack of power

If everything is right on the engine:
compression, fuel, air and spark all happening at the right time, then the prop is dragging on the lower, or the lower unit has a tight bearing or ...
something on the engine needs to be rechecked.

or, the compression gauge, or one of your other tools is not reading right
 

56 rude

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Re: 3 different forums and no solution for 9.9hp lack of power

possible spun prop?if its like my nissan a few years back it was the prop and it drove be batty for awhile.slow speeds everything was ok but as soon as you opened her up it just sucked .
 

R.Johnson

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Re: 3 different forums and no solution for 9.9hp lack of power

I'm still betting that carb is together wrong. Trimming that small internal hose does'nt sound right either.
 

CATransplant

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Re: 3 different forums and no solution for 9.9hp lack of power

I'm still betting that carb is together wrong. Trimming that small internal hose does'nt sound right either.

Yeah, I agree. Either that or it's the wrong part. It happens. Since it all started with this new top, that's where I'd start looking.
 

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Re: 3 different forums and no solution for 9.9hp lack of power

I must admit, I'm going there too. Did you remember to put the gasket in below part#2? If either the short hose holds it up high enough, or the gasket isn't in there it's going to behave just like an air leak.
 

ba_50

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Re: 3 different forums and no solution for 9.9hp lack of power

I assume a spun prop is when a rubber insert in the hub partially strips out. That could be the problem, even though I don't know if this one has a rubber part in it. Trouble is I will have to cut it off. Pullers and heat didn't work last year. I usually keep them greased 2x a year but missed this one.

I drained the lower unit oil and it had enough but wasn't near full. There was a bunch of grease at the top of the midsection and it was melting and making a mess. At first I thought it was excess oily exhaust. There was some black oil dripping out of the prop hub too. I thought it was from up above. Now I think the seal is leaking even though the drained oil wasn't gray like it looks when it has water in it.

There is only one way the float will go in and it has a groove cut out that is supposed to keep it from hitting that rubber hose. It was just touching it so I shortened it. The gasket is under the cover.

If I prime the motor with the bulb it started yesterday using the choke.

The spun prop idea makes sense.
 

R.Johnson

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Re: 3 different forums and no solution for 9.9hp lack of power

I thought we were dealing with an engine that would'nt run above an idle, and now we're talking a spun propellor hub. Here's a thought! take it to a repair shop.
 

CharlieB

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Re: 3 different forums and no solution for 9.9hp lack of power

If the prop hub was slipping then the motor would still get to high RPM's, comparable to spinning the tires on your car, the motor revs but a lack of traction.

If the motor is NOT getting to full RPM then forget the prop, unless you recently CHANGED to a different prop.

Something isn't right yet with the new carb parts

OR

the ignition has developed a problem and is not making enough voltage/spark to achieve high speed power.

Test the ignition with a DVA Meter at speed to rule out an ignition problem, do not use an inductive timing light as it cannot tell you the ignition voltage, neon flash tubes are NOT a reliable test.

Once you prove the ignition is good then you can be sure that your problem is with the new carb part(s).
 

CaptOchs

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Re: 3 different forums and no solution for 9.9hp lack of power

I had a similar problem and it turned out to be bad fuel. Today's gas is typically mixed with ethanol and it causes problem. Ethanol absorbs water. When that happens you get a phase separation. Basically your gas could be floating on a layer of ethanol/water, and since your sending unit sucks gas from the bottom of the tank..... well you get the idea...

In my case, once it sucked up the ethanol/water mixture it made a mess of the carbs. The engine ran fine for the first minute after it was cleaned and then bog down. I gave a couple quick blasts of carb cleaner into the carbs while I was on the water and that the engine roared back to life for a few seconds. Remember, the carb cleaner doesn't have oil, so don't empty a can into the carbs with one shot. After the ethanol was in the carbs it was there to stay. Using another portable tank with fresh gas at that point didn't help. I had to clean the carbs again.

A spun prop would cause the engine to race, and racing wasn't one of your symptoms.
 

ba_50

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Re: 3 different forums and no solution for 9.9hp lack of power

I ran it up on shore this morning with the ears on and it still didn't sound any different. I don't think it is the prop either.

I usually use non-ethanol gas and put heet in it too.
 

56 rude

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Re: 3 different forums and no solution for 9.9hp lack of power

Yours may not be a spun prop but it was just a suggestion and free to check out ,for the notion that all spun props race thats just not the case,period!Its easy to check ,just put a mark with a marker or something on the hub and the rubber and after running for awhile if it moves you got your answer.My nissan was a 15 hp and couldnt beat my brothers 9.9 mariner on twin boats !after putting on a bran new prop of eactly the same dimensions and pitch i smoked him ,if thats not a spun prop i dont know what is.Its totally free to put a mark on the hub and the rubber insert and have a try ,you got it out anyways and if its not it great,as its proably more expensive a fix than the other suggestions.Are you sure that the carb is opening fully etc?Hope you find a answer soon.
 

CaptOchs

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Re: 3 different forums and no solution for 9.9hp lack of power

I usually use non-ethanol gas and put heet in it too.

You could be right. It depends on which state you live in. Some states have laws that require fuel stations post stickers like "Contains 10% Ethanol" an other states do not. You could very well be using Ethanol and not even know it. Gasoline refineries use Ethanol now-a-days to replace MTBE.

Check out the following article. It's a little outdated. Ethanol use is on the rise and for some older outboards it's causing problems. The best way to combat it is a fuel filter / water separator. Heck, I bought one a K-Mart on clearance for $2.34; filter and all!

http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/westadvisor/10001/-1/10001/Gasoline-EthanolYourBoat.htm
 

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Re: 3 different forums and no solution for 9.9hp lack of power

http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/servicerpt/mtbeban/table1.html

The link above has DOE's table of states that have banned MTBE. There are a lot of states that have already banned it and replaced it with ethanol.

"One key factor for transition out of the MTBE-blended RFG is the availability of ethanol, the likely oxygenate alternative."

As more ethanol plans come online, MTBE will be phased out of existence. The real threat is mixing old MTBE gas with Ethanol gas. You could get a gel-like gunk in your carbs that will kill your performance.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/servicerpt/mtbeban/index.html
 

56 rude

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Re: 3 different forums and no solution for 9.9hp lack of power

One other thought,have you looked closely at the coils?Ihave a 15 rude here that i got for cheap and i wouldnt run right ,didnt seem to have power ,i relooked at the coils and one had a hairline crack .That was enough to make it fail under load and some times made for hard starting.I almost missed it ,it was very fine but enough.
 

ba_50

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Re: 3 different forums and no solution for 9.9hp lack of power

RJohnson

If I thought I could trust the mechanics here in Cape Coral/Ft Meyers, I would have went that route.

Think you are frustrated? I've been messing with this thing for 1 1/2 years.

Examples:

A Mercury dealer had our Tohatsu 50 for a month and had only pulled the prop shaft gears out. It cost $75 to get it back with nothing actually done.

Another one put an my impeller in and even though I told him no seals, he did that too. He said it couldn't be fixed. $180.00

A Johnson dealer put a carb kit in an 8hp motor, two new plugs which they didn't gap, and maybe some other small thing. I had told them it had two new plugs already. It still ran rough and was hard to start after gapping the plugs. $175.

The only honest one I found was in Illinois and he wasn't that great of a mechanic.

Mechanics come and go quick around here. 7 out of 8 are gone. I wonder why? That's why I gave up on mechanics around here.


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I'll try the prop marking trick and will check the coils. There was a 1/2" spark jump and it was firing consistantly at full throttle though.
 
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