3 hours @ $65 per hour?

Merc90HPnewbie

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Can someone explain why I've been getting quotes of 2.5 to 3 hours to replace a water pump impeller? I am trying to do it myself (and failing miserably) but it seems to me like it should be a 15 minute job for a pro... remove the bolts, drop the lower unit, take the pump cover off, put the new impeller in, put a new gasket on, and bolt everything back up.... what am I missing here? What takes 3 hours?<br /><br />Thanks
 

Spidybot

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Re: 3 hours @ $65 per hour?

'Nothing is hard to do as long as you don't have to do it yourself'<br /><br />Thinking the task takes a few seconds. Imagining the task takes a few minutes.<br /><br />Doing the task
I am trying to do it myself (and failing miserably)
is a quite diffeent story.<br /><br />Doing it professionally, with warranty and professional pride, standing up for the quality... that takes 2.5-3 hrs. :cool:
 

snapperbait

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Re: 3 hours @ $65 per hour?

If the job went perfectly with no impellers rusted to the shaft, broken bolts, lower units that won't drop down because the splines are rusted to the crankshaft, and stuff like that, then my best go at it (on a good day) would take approximately an hour and a half... Two hours if I'm changing the gear lube too... <br /><br />My guess is, their estimate of 2.5 to 3 hours is likely just to cover their butt for the unseen problems that do come up from time to time like the things I've described above..
 

BrianFD

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Re: 3 hours @ $65 per hour?

Had my lower unit dropped this spring to check/change the impeller. Came off ok, but took 2 hrs to get back on. I was there (helping, but not much, seeing as I had no clue on what to do) and these 2 guys didn't waste a minute. Boat's 6 yrs old and they said it looked brand new. Didn't need to change the impeller. Only charged me for the 3 hrs and they worked on it for 6. Having the assurance that everything was A-OK was worth every dime of my $195 + tax.<br />Happy Boating!<br />Brian
 

clanton

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Re: 3 hours @ $65 per hour?

You missed inspecting the wear plate, impeller cup, and housing if plastic, water tube grommet. Then starting engine to insure pump is working and thermostats open at the correct temp.
 

andrewkafp

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Re: 3 hours @ $65 per hour?

Should have replaced the parts anyway ...<br />Save you doing it again in the short term :confused:
 

profish00

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Re: 3 hours @ $65 per hour?

Took me 3 hrs and still not satisified with the pressure.....gonna do it again just to be sure...add that up!
 

andrewkafp

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Re: 3 hours @ $65 per hour?

You DID point the impeller fins in the right direction ... don't think they're symmetrical. :eek:
 

jdkzrt

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Re: 3 hours @ $65 per hour?

3 Hrs. to change an impeller??? <br />I must be missing something here.<br />If it takes a mechanic (who has done this job more than a couple of times) much more than an hour, you need to find a new mechanic.
 

bryanredfish

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Re: 3 hours @ $65 per hour?

I just had my impeller changed -- $125 at a Merc certified shop.
 

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Re: 3 hours @ $65 per hour?

Some one has to order the parts,deliver the parts, write the work order, spend time talking to you, writing a reciept, count all the money they made on the empeller job. This business is all about reputation and sales of new motors. A good shop will not just dump in a empeller and give you the motor and a bill. They will take some time and inspect the entire unit, determine if in fact this is your only problem and then test to make sure the problem is solved, then you get a warranty. These guy's can't afford a bad rep. Most of the time, the actual act of replacing the part doesn't take 3 hrs. But I'll bet they charge for three hrs, they worked five total, all things concidered.
 

Merc90HPnewbie

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Re: 3 hours @ $65 per hour?

Bryanredfish: And this is something they recommend every two years like clockwork...<br /><br />Alcan: I hear you and you're right, my gripe isn't with operating overhead of the shop or billing practices, I was just worried (not having ever done this before) that there was something I was missing that would take all that time. I was figuring it was a simple job and I was wondering if I was underestimating the work.
 
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Re: 3 hours @ $65 per hour?

Don't forget cleaning out all the trash from old impellor failing.Common and easy to overlook.
 
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Unicorn: If you DIDN'T check to make sure they were in the right direction...but you're not done with the rebuild yet so you haven't tested...and you REALLY don't want to spend the 2 hrs AGAIN...what exactly happens IF it's in backwards? (50/50 shot, right guys?!) Low / no pressure I'd assume? Also guessing that I'll know the first time I fire her up? GREAT! UUGGHH. Don't remember the directional part from doing it last time, either guess correctly or just plain don't remember that part! <br /><br />Unfortunatly, think I'll be dropping that lower unit just to be sure...make mine a 4 hour job!
 

Merc90HPnewbie

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Re: 3 hours @ $65 per hour?

I'm no expert but the book I am going from says there are two types of water pumps (at least for the engine years/HP it covers): a high pressure one and a high volume one. The high volume pump has curved vanes on the impeller that have to go a certain way. The high pressure has a smaller star shaped impeller and I am *not sure* if it has to go in a particular direction or not, but it looks symmetrical to me...
 

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Re: 3 hours @ $65 per hour?

the shop has a book that tells them to charge<br />2.5 - 3hrs. every wrench has one and uses it<br />to estimate all repairs and maint.<br />I know contractors have a similar book they use.
 

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Re: 3 hours @ $65 per hour?

If you have been to any car dealership in the last twenty years , they often have the labor it takes to do a particular repair posted right on the wall. How do they know how much time it takes?? They are going to pay the mechanic a specific portion of that flat rate to do the job based on that "publish'd" repair procedure. The amount it takes to do the job is from the flat rate manual. The mechanic is supposed to be able to "beat" flat rate and so can go on to another job and "hopefully", beat that time also. The mechanic knows at the start of the day how much money he is going to make, based on the number of jobs he has lined up to do. If he beats flat rate, he has more time to do additional jobs, and make more money. If it takes him longer, he still only gets paid his portion of the flat rate money. I know a mechanic at a dealership that does only brakes. He is very good at brakes and makes about $75k a year doing so. I'm not sure how good he is at anything else, but he's very happy "beating" flat rate for brakes! Some would say that they should reduce the labor for brakes so that customers don't have to pay so much, but I would say that some don't feel a hard working mechanic should get 75k for "just" doing brakes! The system is so unfair!! Isn't it??<br />Most marinas use flat rates but leave open the actual charges due because each boat is different as to accessibility, corrosion, engine systems vs. boat systems, etc..... No two jobs are the same, ever! In the marine industry, in order to cover all aspects of "MURFEY'S LAW', flat rate would have to be.... 5 hours or so. Is that fair?? I didn't think so. But remember, flat rate usually considers that there is some troubleshooting, testing, repairs, confirmation of repairs, and clean-up. You do want a good job done, correct?? If you only want to pay an hour labor (or so), some of that will have to be left out. Which would you choose??? One more thing, I know of no marine mechanics making 75,60 or even 50k. Most boat dealerships would refuse to pay a tech. that much money, even if it were earning the store that much business. A salesman, yes, but not a mechanic! Now the question is... Is a salesman worth $$$ ??? Ya know, If they lowered his commission, they could lower the costs of the boats..... Maybe, I should just open a CostCo for boats and motors. No hype, no pressure, buy what's on the shelf, no questions ask'd , none answer'd. Put it in the cart, pay the bucks!!! Service ?? We got no stinking service!!
 

denniz

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Re: 3 hours @ $65 per hour?

Hey PV, Im a marine tech and have been one for22 years. Im just now hitting the 70-75000 a year mark. but I worked along time for$8.00 hr.This job in my shop pays 2hrs. at $70.00 per hour. It should not take more than 1hr to do, but we work off flat rate and thats what it pays. Included is a run in the tank to check for other problem. I think its reasonable
 

P.V.

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Re: 3 hours @ $65 per hour?

Rod Knocking, I presume that you are somewhere other than the seasonal Pac. N.W. that I am. The only flat rate mechanics I know are ALWAYS laid off right after the winterizes are over, about Thanksgiving, or so. They are not garanteed any work 'till about March/April or so... if someone had a "winter" project, they may get to come in and do the deed, but if there's no work, then no money! (those same guys get very little benifits, if any at all) Obiously, this can be different in other places of the country, but not here. BTW, the mechanics that work "full-time" year round (not "flat rate"), usually find themselves doing other things in the "off season", ie: set up boat shows, refurbish used outboards, paint the ceiling, etc... they can certinly make good money, but not the dollars you are. I would guess that in Florida, as an example, the demand for a season'd tech with mucho experience,a "MASTER TECH"???? could get, what ??? 1/2 the shop rate in flat rate hours???? So, bill out 7 hours a day, times $35 per hour, times 6 days times 4 weeks per times say 11 months a year equells... $64,680 per year. Not shabby. Am I too far off???
 
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