4.3 merc speed

Jasoniboat

Seaman Apprentice
Joined
Jun 23, 2011
Messages
38
Re: 4.3 merc speed

Ok, I looked at my 3 blade aluminum prop and it is stamped :

J14. 25 X 21P

Does this tell me my prop size ?

I need to buy a spare, in case I damage this one.... can anyone tell me what size my prop is ?

Sorry for my ignorance...
 

QC

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Mar 22, 2005
Messages
22,783
Re: 4.3 merc speed

I had a prop sales guy tell me a 4 blade wouldn't do much for 4.3. He said a good 3 blade would out perform any 4 blade on both sides with the 4.3 engine and OMC out drive.
The reason this thread is confusing to some of us is things like this. Sharing a comment from the prop guy is great, but it indicates one thing: the prop guy was either misunderstood or he doesn't know what he's talking about. The fact is that the prop doesn't "know" what engine is turning it, and the engine doesn't "know" what prop it is turning . . . So how can a type of prop be bad or good for a specific engine? While there might be an acceptable range of props, and of course it has to be useable with your drive, I think that's the point: there is no right or wrong prop for an engine. And back to the OP's original query, there is no real benefit in knowing what boat speeds others are getting unless we are dealing with the exact same boat and load and of course the same rating of the engine itself. Anecdotal information is fun, and maybe even interesting, but it shouldn't be used to make any decisions.

Soooo, while I understand that the OP wants to build a mini-data base of info regarding other users and 4.3s, what would you do with that? The frustrating thing about boats is that the only boat that we can really compare with his, is . . . uhhhh . . . his. Same hull, same power, same drive, same ratio and even the same load. That's what matters. Yes, some prop types may work better for watersports, and some for fuel, and some for flexibility, but no prop works best for a specific engine. Engines ultimately do nothing more in a marine application than twist a shaft, and then, unless it is a 1:1 ratio, the actual propeller shaft spins at a different speed. And then a prop is on that. How does the propeller and engine actually "know" or care about each other? And since they can't and don't, how can there be a better or worse prop for an engine? There kinda can't be.

Props are most about the application, the hull and drive design. And they are less about the lump of metal that makes them spin.

Why do some of us care about this distinction? Because these threads live forever and others will make decisions regarding purchases based on them. And many people make decisions when they hear what they want to hear (read). So if a guy looking at a 25 foot 'toon reads that a a 4.3 pushed an 18 foot runabout to 50 MPH with a four blade 23" flangelrod defibrillating wonkivator, he may figure that's exactly what he needs . . . ;)

If you really want to see how to compare props and power, take a look at Walleyehed's prop test results here: http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=218877

What does that mean to the OP? Almost nothing except how hard it is to compare props and power and hulls. Even when all is the same, the results can be very different :)
 

QC

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Mar 22, 2005
Messages
22,783
Re: 4.3 merc speed

Don't forget the impact of current. A GPS tells you speed over the bottom, not the water. Important distinction.
 

joewithaboat

Lieutenant Junior Grade
Joined
Jul 3, 2011
Messages
1,172
Re: 4.3 merc speed

The reason this thread is confusing to some of us is things like this. Sharing a comment from the prop guy is great, but it indicates one thing: the prop guy was either misunderstood or he doesn't know what he's talking about. The fact is that the prop doesn't "know" what engine is turning it, and the engine doesn't "know" what prop it is turning . . . So how can a type of prop be bad or good for a specific engine? While there might be an acceptable range of props, and of course it has to be useable with your drive, I think that's the point: there is no right or wrong prop for an engine. And back to the OP's original query, there is no real benefit in knowing what boat speeds others are getting unless we are dealing with the exact same boat and load and of course the same rating of the engine itself. Anecdotal information is fun, and maybe even interesting, but it shouldn't be used to make any decisions.

Soooo, while I understand that the OP wants to build a mini-data base of info regarding other users and 4.3s, what would you do with that? The frustrating thing about boats is that the only boat that we can really compare with his, is . . . uhhhh . . . his. Same hull, same power, same drive, same ratio and even the same load. That's what matters. Yes, some prop types may work better for watersports, and some for fuel, and some for flexibility, but no prop works best for a specific engine. Engines ultimately do nothing more in a marine application than twist a shaft, and then, unless it is a 1:1 ratio, the actual propeller shaft spins at a different speed. And then a prop is on that. How does the propeller and engine actually "know" or care about each other? And since they can't and don't, how can there be a better or worse prop for an engine? There kinda can't be.

Props are most about the application, the hull and drive design. And they are less about the lump of metal that makes them spin.

Why do some of us care about this distinction? Because these threads live forever and others will make decisions regarding purchases based on them. And many people make decisions when they hear what they want to hear (read). So if a guy looking at a 25 foot 'toon reads that a a 4.3 pushed an 18 foot runabout to 50 MPH with a four blade 23" flangelrod defibrillating wonkivator, he may figure that's exactly what he needs . . . ;)

If you really want to see how to compare props and power, take a look at Walleyehed's prop test results here: http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=218877

What does that mean to the OP? Almost nothing except how hard it is to compare props and power and hulls. Even when all is the same, the results can be very different :)

Well stated....
I thought i was to only one who owned a 23" flangelrod defibrillating wonkivator, My prop guy told me it was a one off custom.. It cost me a small fortune! Lol :D
 

joewithaboat

Lieutenant Junior Grade
Joined
Jul 3, 2011
Messages
1,172
Re: 4.3 merc speed

Don't forget the impact of current. A GPS tells you speed over the bottom, not the water. Important distinction.

I had not considered that. I guess most folks want to talk about speed as it relates to them changing something on their boat. Wither its a prop, engine part or load. I have never used it to determine time it takes to get to the other end of the lake. So you are pointing out water movement across the bottom moving with or in the opposite direction or perhaps across the path of your vessel?
 

QC

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Mar 22, 2005
Messages
22,783
Re: 4.3 merc speed

Yes. I boat often in almost 3 MPH current. Boat speedo reads 3 MPH slower than GPS downriver, and 3 MPH faster upriver. Which is right? Both are. If you are comparing props in current then you need an accurate Boat speedo (speed over the water). If you want to know how fast you will get somewhere, you need GPS.

EXTREMELY important with aircraft. They need to know "indicated" airspeed to safely fly, but it doesn't tell you when you are going to get somewhere (ground speed).
 

joewithaboat

Lieutenant Junior Grade
Joined
Jul 3, 2011
Messages
1,172
Re: 4.3 merc speed

Yes. I boat often in almost 3 MPH current. Boat speedo reads 3 MPH slower than GPS downriver, and 3 MPH faster upriver. Which is right? Both are. If you are comparing props in current then you need an accurate Boat speedo (speed over the water). If you want to know how fast you will get somewhere, you need GPS.

EXTREMELY important with aircraft. They need to know "indicated" airspeed to safely fly, but it doesn't tell you when you are going to get somewhere (ground speed).

Ive done most of my boating in lakes so i guess most folks im around don't consider that. Important factor though thanks! :)
You must be a pilot ?
 

QC

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Mar 22, 2005
Messages
22,783
Re: 4.3 merc speed

No, just a know it all . . . :rolleyes:

Sorry for the hijack :redface:
 

joewithaboat

Lieutenant Junior Grade
Joined
Jul 3, 2011
Messages
1,172
Re: 4.3 merc speed

No, just a know it all . . . :rolleyes:

Sorry for the hijack :redface:

Not a hijack in my book... directly relates to op's post.

As to a question for the self proclaimed know it all.. Lol, that i think also relates to the op...

I have a 4.3 merc powered 19 foot br that doesn't seem to care about a heavy or light load. It still reaches the same WOT speed and rpm just takes a little trimming with more people and a little more time to get there. Its my first boat that i have noticed this on. I have never changed the prop that it came with. It is a 3 blade ss mercury mirage. It appears to be tweaked, it has a slightly hand bent looking leading edge. I would like to try a differnet prop just to have a good spare but don't know if i should try a different size or not.
It runs amazingly well... 48-50mph at 4,800-4,900. I feel greedy looking for more.
 

QC

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Mar 22, 2005
Messages
22,783
Re: 4.3 merc speed

Can you make her porpoise trimmed out with a light load? My guess is no.
 

joewithaboat

Lieutenant Junior Grade
Joined
Jul 3, 2011
Messages
1,172
Re: 4.3 merc speed

Can you make her porpoise trimmed out with a light load? My guess is no.

Ive never had it totally empty with just me in it.
Loaded from 2 adults,ice chest, safety gear.... to... 6 adults same gear and every number in between as far as passengers.

As to porpoising it used to porpoise like crazy at low speed with the two adults in calm water, I put smart tabs on it and that ended that problem.
Could it just be a good hull design and as long as it gets up on the tail of the hull weight wont affect top speed? Every other boat ive had was really load sensitive when considering top speed or speed to stay on plane. This one doesn't seem to care much.
Its a 1996 Caravelle 1900SE

I don't know wither to credit the hull, the tweaked prop, or the smart tabs. Or all three?
 

QC

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Mar 22, 2005
Messages
22,783
Re: 4.3 merc speed

Was it more load sensitive prior to the SmartTabs. Put better. Was there more of a difference in top speed when you loaded up? How fast was she at WOT before SmartTabs?
 

joewithaboat

Lieutenant Junior Grade
Joined
Jul 3, 2011
Messages
1,172
Re: 4.3 merc speed

Was it more load sensitive prior to the SmartTabs. Put better. Was there more of a difference in top speed when you loaded up? How fast was she at WOT before SmartTabs?

For me the smart tabs didn't seem to affect top speed at all. However i didn't move them from the suggested installed position. I was so happy with what they did to the "bow in the sky problem" I had at the hole shot, i am hesitant to adjust them. I know most people claim you can get more top end as well if you play with them a bit. I guess i need to move them around a little and experiment.

Overall i couldn't be happier with the combination, it pulls skiers and tubes great, runs quickly from one end of the lake to the other and is amazingly fuel efficient compared to other boats Ive had. All previous were 18 to 21 foot v8 i/o.

Again i feel greedy looking for more but i need to add a spare or a new prop and keep current for a spare. The spare i have is not really usable except in an emergency.
 
Joined
Dec 9, 2011
Messages
26
Re: 4.3 merc speed

I have an o4 q4 tahoe 19ft 5in 4.3 alpha one that had a 21pitch 3blade alum prop when i got it and ran 49 mph at 5000rpms, i purchased a 23 pitch four blade prop from iboats and now get on the step quicker and runs 55mph at 4500 rpms at wot. I am tickled to death with the performance. my boat is a 190 horsepower , two barrel carb engine.
 

stingray98

Recruit
Joined
May 30, 2012
Messages
4
Re: 4.3 merc speed

Great Posts guys.

98 Stingray 190lx 4.3 alpha 1 not sure the raito. All speeds at 4800RPM 23 pitch ballistic stainless prop, Just rebuilt. Speedo does not work. However Depth finder has a Speedo on it. Hit 62.0 mph according to that last time out with 2 people half tank and a few fishing poles. The one time I did have a GPS in the boat with I think atleast 3 people and half a tank I think I remember seeing 54.2 mph. I could be off. Was a few years ago. Boat sure does get up and fly when its only 1 or 2 people in it and no gear. :) Stingray did rate this boat to run 56mph from the factory with the aluminum prop. Who knows. But it is fun to make my mind think my boat might hit 60 in a blue moon. haha :)
 
Last edited:
Top