4.3l mercruiser with steam from vent lines

rock doc

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Hi everyone. I am having more problems with my recently rebuilt (15 hrs ago) 1990 175 hp 4.3l mercruiser with Alpha 1. I am throwing in everything I observed even though I would think some of the "issues are not related. Here is the summary:

1) Boat worked flawless until last weekend. The raw water feed line came off drive and I overheated the motor. Took it to merc shop and they indicated it appeared to be a minor overheat and they have seen much worse without issue. Replaced shutters and both rubber exhaust pipes. The shutters were melted badly. The rubber exhausts really wasn't that bad and everything else was unaffected. Also replaced the raw water feed line. They brought it up to temp on muffs and everything seemed fine. I asked if we should compression test - they told me to try it first restating how minor the over heating damage seemed to be.

2) Just came back from wet test. Motor ran perfectly. Noticed the trim on the motor was not working properly. The trim indicator would not move for first few seconds and would shut off when still between the two lower indicators on the gauge. The trailer switch could still be used to raise the outdrive into the max upper position for transport, but seemed weak near top. Maybe the new raw water feed line is in a different position?

3) Noticed a small sheen on the water the boat when in neutral. The sheen was more noticeable when you throttled the motor a bit. Opened engine compartment and noticed steam coming out of flame arrestor. Enough that the top of the carburetor was damp. Engine was running very smooth but did seem a tad rich. Steam was noticed coming out the valve cover vent lines. Choke confirmed to be open. We were all amazed that the motor could run this well and be displaying symptoms of a bad head gasket.

4) May have heard a very brief squeal when it stalled initially on cold start- almost like a belt squeal from the motor . Very minor but had never heard this before.

5) Engine oil is clean and at normal level.

6) Boat got up on plan easily and ran at 150-170F. We did not go far - 2-3 minutes.


Next Steps:
a) Compression test and leak down test
b) Check Drive oil
c) pull spark plugs and check color
d) Crank seal behind drive belt sheave/ balancer???


Is there anything else I should do tomorrow after I drown my sorrows with wobbly pops tonight? I have done a search on here and it seems like steam may not that big a deal but this seemed excessive. It was foggy/damp out today though. We also had very heavy rain 2 days ago (over 6" in 4 hours) and local flooding. The boat was at the shop, but I believe they had it covered.
 

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Re: 4.3l mercruiser with steam from vent lines

Also wonder if I could have some water intrusion from when I burnt my shutters. I did take it off plane quickly when we noticed the temp. was high. Maybe my oil is a little wet?
 

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Re: 4.3l mercruiser with steam from vent lines

In case you see this Don S - this is why I was interested in your exhaust diagram. I had burnt my shutters out and was trying to understand the cooling system/exhaust interface. Have replaced them but now have steam coming out of my valve cover vents (both sides). I also noticed that a piece of the old shutter floating beside the boat today during the wet test.
 

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Re: 4.3l mercruiser with steam from vent lines

What does the dipstick look like?

Steam from the valve cover vents comes from the crankcase, so water is in there, hard to say how much. The level on the dipstick will tell if there has been a major intrusion of water or not, also the texture of the stuff on the dipstick is a tell..
 

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Re: 4.3l mercruiser with steam from vent lines

I'm guessing I should check my power steering reservoir again. I'm guessing that this may explain the sheen behind the boat that gets bigger when I throttle the engine a bit. I noticed some fluid had dripped down onto the v-belts and on the sides of the reservoir.
 

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Re: 4.3l mercruiser with steam from vent lines

You can get some PS fluid out the top of the reservoir when the cap gets tired. But that won't come out the exhaust, it will go in the bilge and onto the outside of the pump. If the ps cooler is leaking internally you could have that sheen issue though. How does the motor oil look, and what is it's level?
I agree with the comp & leak down tests. But why the crank seal? Is there oil in the bilge, on the belts, on the lower front of the motor?
 

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Re: 4.3l mercruiser with steam from vent lines

Good point...likely no need to check the crank seal if the power steering system is the source of the fluid on the belts.
 

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Re: 4.3l mercruiser with steam from vent lines

Pull the valve covers and check for a broken exaust valve spring
 

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Re: 4.3l mercruiser with steam from vent lines

OK Bt Doctur...I'll do that soon. Curious of what would prompt you to think that may be the issue.

One update that doesn't look promising is that the power steering fluid looks fine (although there is chatter in the steering - it has been like this for a while). I checked the oil and there does appear to be some water in the oil. Level is essentially unchanged though. Condensation on the inside of the oil fill cap too.

Can't seem to find my compression tester so I'm off to get a new one. Must have loaned it to someone and it never came back.
 

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Re: 4.3l mercruiser with steam from vent lines

only because i had a cust that had poor performance, lot of vapor with moisture coming from the breathers, clean oil and clean sparkplugs.
compression reading were within specs. The old school hammer tap on a valve. A weak/broken spring will have a dull sound.Might even be visable.
 

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Re: 4.3l mercruiser with steam from vent lines

I have completed the compression test. All cylinders were between 140 and 147. The motor was brought up to 150F on the muffs prior to starting the test. No sheen on the exhaust water was observed. Motor seemed to run smoothly other than it needs to be pretty much up to operating temp before it smoothed out -maybe seemed to be missing or running a little rich until is was above 140F. No significant steam was observed leaving the crank case vents. Oil level is normal, but a little bit greyish black in color.

One odd thing...all three plugs on the starboard side (2,4,6) had an orange hue and evidence of moisture. A small amount of oil was noted on top of the engine directly below the distributor. I have noted this before though and seems to reappear after I clean off the oil. Maybe there is a bad seal in the mechanical gear for the distributor?

Should I just do an oil change and wet test the boat?
 

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Re: 4.3l mercruiser with steam from vent lines

here is the orange plug from cylinder #2. A three plugs on the starboard side (2,4 and 6) looked the same. Ateam was coming out of both crank case vents.

orange plug cylinder 2 (starboard)).JPG
 

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Re: 4.3l mercruiser with steam from vent lines

Any advice would be appreciated....not sure where to go from here. I googled orange spark plugs and that is typically a symptom of fuel additives. Doesn't make sense here because I did not add anything to the gas and it is only the starboard cylinders that are orange. I'm tempted to change the oil and run her.
 

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Re: 4.3l mercruiser with steam from vent lines

Perhaps I'm being too cautious...going to change the oil and try her again this weekend.

Thanks to those who offered some words of wisdom.
 

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Re: 4.3l mercruiser with steam from vent lines

What does the dipstick look like?

Steam from the valve cover vents comes from the crankcase, so water is in there, hard to say how much. The level on the dipstick will tell if there has been a major intrusion of water or not, also the texture of the stuff on the dipstick is a tell..

Oil level is fine. No brown foam but it does look a little wet. Greyish black oil. This is a newly rebuilt motor so the oil was perfectly clean prior to the overheat incident. I suspect I got a little water intrusion when I burnt the exhaust shutters - I shut the boat down pretty fast.
 

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Re: 4.3l mercruiser with steam from vent lines

Greyish black can be an indication of fuel contamination, could be from a previous or current flooding condition. When you change the oil check the odor of the oil that comes out for hints of gasoline smells.
 

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Re: 4.3l mercruiser with steam from vent lines

Greyish black can be an indication of fuel contamination, could be from a previous or current flooding condition. When you change the oil check the odor of the oil that comes out for hints of gasoline smells.

I wanted to probe for water in the bottom of the engine so I extracted a bit of oil after letting the motor sit overnight. Here is a photo of the oil. It does have a hint of gas odor. I didn't find any free water.

IMG_0444.jpg
 

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Re: 4.3l mercruiser with steam from vent lines

Here is a better picture...I would think this unfortunately is discoloration from water. The motor does seem to be running rich though.
boat oil_Sept 2012.jpg
 

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Re: 4.3l mercruiser with steam from vent lines

To me that looks like milkshake...Water in the oil

You say you toasted the flappers...im thinking you toasted your riser gaskets too, therfor letting water in.

If it were mine i would take alook at those gaskets first.

Good luck!
 

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Re: 4.3l mercruiser with steam from vent lines

OK..thanks. Is it urgent that I get water out or can it wait for the weekend for me to fix the riser?
 
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