470 voltage regulator proper wiring?

mr.niceguy

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can somebody post a diagram or just tell me the proper wiring scheme of the connections on the 470 voltage regulator and where they are supposed to lead? i think the wiring is wrong on mine, causing a my no-charge situation.<br /><br />here is how mine is wired top to bottom:<br /><br />red wire from "red-sense" bolt on top<br /><br />black wire jumped from "orange/run" bolt to "output red/white" bolt (i think this is wrong, as there is an orange wire connected to nothing, just hanging there, that runs to ignition switch)<br /><br />two yellows on bolts leading to stator<br /><br />black wire on "output red/white" jumped to "orange/run"(shouldn't this just go to a ground, where excess voltage is dumped?)<br /><br />thanks, this could salvage striper season.
 

MrBill

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Re: 470 voltage regulator proper wiring?

Ah...the old water cooled 3.7L voltage regulator. First did this voltage regulator charge correctly wired this way? If so it is dead, although there are tests you can perform that are outlined in the Mercruiser manual - well worth the $30.<br /><br />The 470 (3.7L) voltage regulator should have four points of connection. Looking at it face-on, there is one connection on the left (middle) and three on the right (top, middle and bottom). The left connector and middle-right connector should have yellow-red leads, these are the two wires going to the stator. If you have an ohm meter, check resistance between these two leads (while dissconnected from the regulator. If resistance exceeds 1 ohm the stator needs replacement. Also check resistence between each of the yellow-red connection studs and teh regulator case with an ohm meter, replace the regulator if either reading is near zero. The top right connection should have a red-purple lead and the bottom right connection which is the regulator output, should have an orange lead (sometimes red/white like yours). <br /><br />If the output wire touches ground as you suggest, it will blow the regulator. The excess voltage gets dumped as heat, hence the need for a water cooled regulator. since the stator type charging system was usually combined with a closed cooling system, over heating worsened the situation of a poorly designed charging system. The OEM regulator is very expensive ($400), and since its inception subject to failure. Even when working correctly ths charging system was barely adequate for supplying the proper amount of charging needed for running and battery charging. The best bet is to replace the system with one of the many alternator conversion kits, although there are some new and improved regulators on the market, like this one.<br /><br /> http://www.breezeworks.net/ <br /><br />I replaced my old system with an alternator conversion kit 3 years ago after many stator/regulator problems, and the only regret I have is that I didn't do it years earlier. You can buy a complete conversion kit for under $400, NO NEED TO PAY MORE, and it installs in about an hour or a little longer if you're the cautious type like me. Just get the right one if you have power steering (alternator will need to mount on lower left front of engine), also check for "old" or "new" style harmonic balancer.<br /><br />In addition to Breezeworks (above) which has lots of 470/3.7L parts, here's other sites with 470/3.7L alternator conversion kits:<br /><br /> http://www.marineparts.com/partspages/Merc/merc25.htm <br /> http://www.amarket.com/imdc60.htm <br /><br />If you're inquisitive do a google search on '3.7L alternator' or '470 alternator conversion' etc. You find that the very same conversion kits will range from $369 to over $500. Remember no need to spend more than $400 for the whole fix.<br /><br />Good luck, hope things work out well.
 

mr.niceguy

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Re: 470 voltage regulator proper wiring?

thanks for your help. the thing is, mine has five points of connection. i can't figure why the orange wire coming from the ignition switch is not hooked up to anything. it used to work fine in the configuration i outlined above, and doesn't charge at all now. <br /><br />maybe i'll just clean the connections and use the old configuration and see if that does anything, but i'm still perplexed as to why there is an orange wire which, judging from the connector, used to be hooked up somewhere (length of it says it was hooked to the "orange/run" post, but now that post is jumped to the "red/white output" one).<br /><br />where is this unconnected orange wire supposed to go? i never noticed it before, and like i said, it comes from the ignition switch, so it is there for a reason. <br /><br />i'm going to jerk around with it tomorrow, we'll see what happens.<br /><br />where is the output wire supposed to lead to?
 

MrBill

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Re: 470 voltage regulator proper wiring?

Here's the wiring diagram for the Mercruiser voltage regulator 99502A12 & 99502A13. It should provide the data you're looking for. It shows vaious wiring, depending on type of starter also. Yes...I see how you could have five connection points with one of the set-ups.<br /><br /> http://www.mercstuff.com/regulator.htm <br /><br />In your case, if type starter or other components changed the extra wire may be due to that.<br /><br />Hope this provides more help.
 

mr.niceguy

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Re: 470 voltage regulator proper wiring?

that is awesome. if only i had it a day earlier. i worked on the problem today and it seemed like the regulator wanted to throw 18+ volts to the battery, which is better than what is had been doing (nothing), but indicates the regulator is shot, pending the implementation of the new wiring diagram. i didn't have it wired the way it is in the diagram, that i know. over the winter i had a mechanic replace the starter and put in new motor mounts, i bet he messed something up, because it worked last year and hasn't yet this year.<br /><br />i ordered the alternator kit, but i'll see what i can do tomorrow with my "new" info and maybe i can just return it.<br /><br />thanks a ton. that's exactly what i needed. i'll let you know how it all shakes down. you are the man.
 

Don S

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Re: 470 voltage regulator proper wiring?

Please don't go playing "Blame The Mechanic" for your regulator going bad on a 470. Those things were broke more often than they worked, and for no particular reason. It was a stupid system for an I/O to begin with, and never got any better. Why do you think a few companies (Including Mercruiser) came up with an alternator alternative.
 

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Re: 470 voltage regulator proper wiring?

i wasn't blaming the mechanic for busting it, just (maybe) not wiring it back up properly. it may work again for all i know, we'll see.
 

mr.niceguy

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Re: 470 voltage regulator proper wiring?

doesn't work even after reconfiguring wiring. still gives 17+ volts to battery at idle. oh well, alternator kit should be here soon.
 

MrBill

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Re: 470 voltage regulator proper wiring?

It is rare to have the voltage regulator on the 470 go bad and allow overcharging, this is high but I'm not sure how you're checking. If you're checking output without connection to battery it might be right. In any case...it's such a poor system you'll love the conversion so you never have to woory again.
 

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Re: 470 voltage regulator proper wiring?

Those arent worth the time and effort to repair. Just replace it all with the kit and you'll be fine.
 

Don S

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Re: 470 voltage regulator proper wiring?

18 Volts is not NORMAL, common yes with that setup, but not normal.<br />At that voltage you boil the water out of batteries very quickly and destroy the battery.
 
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