5.0 Mercruiser sick

FreeBeeTony

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Re: 5.0 Mercruiser sick

Which end of the hose did you switch?
If you removed them at the risers, it could mean you have a blocked hose...
 

Bondo

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Re: 5.0 Mercruiser sick

Its the "newer" style housing without the ball valves BTW

Ayuh,.......... That's you're Overheat Problem right there........

The Alpha 1, Gen.I has too small of an impeller,...
It Needs the Check-balls to slow the water......

Change it back to a Check-balled T-Stat Housing,+ it'll be Just Fine.......
 

Rolf Latham

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Re: 5.0 Mercruiser sick

Hi

GLM Brand :).................on there when I got the tub, shiny and new, even off the motor, inside and out .............but maybe ............

Sad Seawater pressure and or thermostat/housing sounds more likely though, because

Changed the hoses over at the Stat housing end to try and eliminate the mans and risers.

Some good ideas there that wont cost an arm and a leg

The stat housing is the standard unit that came with the engine, BUT will be a cheap test to change to the diff type, as will a pressure test of the seawater pump.

Gees I like my old V4 Evinrude 115............none of this complicated cooling stuff..............now 2 of them makes 230 hp too :)

Thanks all

ta
rolf
 

Rolf Latham

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Re: 5.0 Mercruiser sick

Me............... again


Apologies for the long post but there is a fair bit of data that someone may recognise.

progress to date, enging still running great

But likely wont be for long because we still have that differential temperature problem that appears to NOT be related to the manifolds or risers or seawater pump

Replacing the 160 stat with a 140 has helped a little in bringing the overall temperarure down a little ( salt boat, raw cooled), but Im still chicken to run the boat on cruise for more than a couple of minutes.

Tried a new thermo housing as well , seawater pump pressure is PLENTY........., no vacuum bubles wth clear hose either.

The temperature difference occurs at idle, at 2000 rpm and obviously at cruise and WOT, and the difference increases with the more power the engine makes.

The Temps at the Manifolds outlet coming off the stat housing are 20 degrees different to start with..............

Dumb question but with nothing elses really left to isolate............at hot idle with the thermo wide open the seawater pump hose is quite firm, obviously from the water pressue.

The Large Recirc pump hose isnt though...............yes its a larger hose and so flows more volume with less pressure, but still the water pressure on this seems MUCH less.

Looking at the service manuals, once the stat opens, water from the block flows to the manifold hoses coming from the stat housing, AND to to the circ pump.

Knowing that its not the risers,manifolds, stat, stat housing, seawater pump, could the recirc pump be dodgy.

The boat mechanic says unlikley, and Id agree, it either works or it dont, its not like the steel vane impellor ? But I have learnt with things mechanical, logic sometimes does not apply.

I have seen boat mechanical reports when we were looking to buy in the past and some stated ............inoperative ? recirc pump

What else could cause the exit temps from the stat housing to be 20 degrees different or is this normal ?

Test temps with the state hoses as normal

Temperatures at 1500 hot fast idle

Just below thermostat, 140 as youd expect

Top of stat housing 95

Left bank

Left bank exit from stat 97

Bottom of manifold 100

top 105 ( front and rear)

middle of riser 105

top of riser 121


Right bank

right bank exit from stat 82

Bottom of manifold 78

top of manifold 82 ( front and rear)

middle of riser 82

top of riser 85


SIZE="5"]Test temps with the state hoses reversed [/SIZE]

Temperatures at 1500 hot fast idle

Just below thermostat, 140

Top of stat housing 95

Left bank

Left bank exit from stat 80

Bottom of manifold 80

middle of riser 93

top of manifold 107


Right bank

right bank exit from stat 95

Bottom of manifold 102

top of manifold 105 ( front and rear)

middle of riser 193

top of riser 105



On plane temps at aroun d 3800 rpm 70 % throttle

left bank 160, right 110, this reverses when the stat hoses are changed over, thats why I tend to exlude the mani/risers being at fault


Over to the specialists please.............im stumped


ta
rolf



PS as a separate issue the left manifold riser seems to have a lot of temp gradation from top to bottom......................both man and riser have been pulled and checked, might try the other gasket type, the non restrictor one
 

Rolf Latham

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Re: 5.0 Mercruiser sick

Update

had the boat out of the water for an annual leg service.

All ok now it seems.

Replaced the water pipe and the hose from the drive into the boat ( they looked fine) and replaced the 3 inch riser extensions ( one of which was leaking a little water into the manifolds). While the elbows and manifolds were new, the previous owner did not have the extensions replaced........go figure.

Runs hard with only a 15 degree differential on the stat outlets, and now the risers, and nice stable 145 on the gauge.

Thanks for all the advice folks,. looks like a simple thing that was causing big grief !

ta
rolf
 

Maclin

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Re: 5.0 Mercruiser sick

Way to hang with it! Glad you got it figured out, and thanks for posting the results. Good stuff to know for anyone keeping a used boat alive that may not have had the right things done to it in the past..
 

mcleaves

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Re: 5.0 Mercruiser sick

Glad to see you got it solved!! I have chased my share of temp problems and have ended up at the risers more than I care to say.. It's a simple thing to inspect and should be done regularly anyhow.

M
 
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