5HP Twin Gale information?

[naturelover]

Well, picked this one up from a friend of a friend for what I thought was a pretty good price, though I never ran it before buying....

A Gale 5HP twin GG18732A.

Was told it ran when he last used it a long time ago, but so does everything...

Had an old 5HP Sea King a long time ago and the coils were all cracked, appears as those someone has replaced these along with the points and condenser.

Three pulls and it was running like a top, was even pumping out lots of water from the top hole, but then it quit for some reason so I shut it off.

Its wayyy smoother than my 7HP Clinton...

Guessing the knobs are mixture control knobs, but want to get the high speed set right, how do I go about it..

In neutral? Was guessing under load, set it ~4000?

A winter project to see what is going on with the water pump, hope I can fix it..

I'll try and post some pictures here if Photobucket will cooperate.

Thanks for all the info!

 

[naturelover]

Re: 5HP Twin Gale information?

Pictures!







What would this cross over to? I'll go ahead and replace the water pump, if I can find it, since it appears that this is truly a fully water cooled motor, unlike the Clinton...

 

[steelespike]

Re: 5HP Twin Gale information?

This motor is essentially the same as the 54-64 Evinrude/Johnson 5.5 Parts are available everywhere.BRP dealers,Venders on Ebay,here at iboats and from most NAPA automotive supplies.Under the Evinrude Johnson name.
It will very likely outperform your 7 hp Clinton.
I think that model may be 18737 a 61 motor.
Pump replacement requires removal of the power head. Be sure to check and or replace the bottom crank bearing and seal.

 

[naturelover]

Re: 5HP Twin Gale information?

Awesome!

Thanks so much for the info!

It does seem to have some...snap to it, what few minutes I ran it.

I have looked around, and found a step by step guide for 5.5HP J/E pump replacement with pictures, and it did look just like it.

Will have to change my mix though, was trying it out on the Clinton mix, which is a little leaner than the 24:1 it appears that is required.. It came with a 6gal Johnson tank that says mix a quart to 6 gals...

Anyway, will proceed with pump replacement sometime, will go ahead and replace the seal anyways, since I will have it apart. I have a Clinton 5HP that needs its seal replaced, but it seems harder to find.

Anyway, thanks for the information! Kinda excited knowing it should be easier to find parts for. Hopefully I did okay with this motor, was kinda a shot in the dark...

 

[brim_buster]

Re: 5HP Twin Gale information?

I have a PDF copy of the repair manual if you would like a copy. Just send me your email.

 

[naturelover]

Re: 5HP Twin Gale information?

I have a PDF copy of the repair manual if you would like a copy. Just send me your email.

PM sent!

Thanks!!!!!

 

[naturelover]

Re: 5HP Twin Gale information?

Well, looked around for some more information on this motor, and I can't find any info on the model number...

Double checked it, and that was it. Ill call or email around and see if I can nail it down, but will go by it being a '61...

But another project may have popped up, word from a buddy that his in law wants a 3hp outboard (believe an evinrude...) looked at for a hard starting issue before hunting season approaches.....

Still hoping to get er fixed up in time to try it out before it gets too cold, try to squeeze it in with all my other fixer upper projects......

 

[brim_buster]

Re: 5HP Twin Gale information?

The introduction section of the manual I sent you has a list of all the models Gale made and for who with model numbers and years and I didnt see that one.:facepalm:

 

[steelespike]

Re: 5HP Twin Gale information?

can't be a 18737 that is a 12 hp.my bad.
from the shape of the hood a 61 is a good guess.

 

[TN-25]

Re: 5HP Twin Gale information?

That orange used on the pan & lower unit are 1961-only.

Attached is a brochure picture of a 1961 Gale 15.

 

[F_R]

Re: 5HP Twin Gale information?

naturelover, there should be more numbers on your Sea King, namely a serial number. It should have two numbers followed by a "X", then the serial number. The two numbers preceeding the "X" are the year in reverse. In other words, 36X, reversed would be 63X....a 1963. There seem to be some Gale-built motors out there that don't exist. At least not in the lists. That is because during the last years they ran out of motors and had some brought in from Canada. 1963 was the last year for US-built Gale motors.

 

[naturelover]

Re: 5HP Twin Gale information?

Thanks for the info TN-25 and F_R, I'll check on the serial number this evening and report back...

I'd have never thought that was an original color either. I had figured it was repainted at some point.

 

[naturelover]

Re: 5HP Twin Gale information?

It is 26X85xxxx.

So its a 1962 then? Funny that it doesn't match any model numbers....

 

[F_R]

Re: 5HP Twin Gale information?

Yep, it is a 1962. Like I said, there are some motors out there that don't exist in the lists. In fact, there seem to be quite a few of them in the last couple of years of Gale production.

 

[naturelover]

Re: 5HP Twin Gale information?

Cool!

I'll get a parts list together built off a CD-19 to get some pricing ideas.

Hopefully it doesn't need much, but am hoping to get into it soon.

Was wondering about the shock absorber for the drive shaft. Would it help anything to go ahead and replace the drive pin with a shear pin? Was working great in the barrel, but I'll check it while I have it apart.

 

[F_R]

Re: 5HP Twin Gale information?

Well that won't hurt anything, but probably won't help either. I've been trying to understand why all these shock absorbers are breaking, when they were very reliable in the past. All I can come up with is possibly metal fatigue of the spring from being under constant stress for so many years.

 

[naturelover]

Re: 5HP Twin Gale information?

So, looking at the specs between the 5hp gale, and the 5.5hp Johnson, they appear the same.

Looks to be the exact same motor to me, excluding some cowling differences.

Wonder where the extra 1/2 hp comes from?

 

[F_R]

Re: 5HP Twin Gale information?

I can't explain the 1/2hp, but I can tell you that the powerheads are slightly different. The 5.5 has a removable cylinder head, the 5hp does not. That is just a water cover on the 5hp. Might be some difference in the reeds or carburetor also, I haven't checked. One thing for sure, you can't tell any difference when it runs.

 

[naturelover]

Re: 5HP Twin Gale information?

Well, spend most of the day doing the easy part, taking the power head off..

That little job turned into an all day event. Two of the bolts would not turn, after turning it over on its top, I was finally was able to get one out, but the one towards the front I could not budge. I tried the wrench on the screwdriver and impact driver, but to no avail. I had to cut it off.

Finally was able to get the power head off.

Here is the seal.



Seen somewhere on here about wanting some pictures of the seal assy, so here it is, in reverse order.



The o-ring inside the top seal.



Here is the washer and ring that sit above the seal. This part stayed on the powerhead when it was removed.





Did find a little crack in the powerhead. Knew that it shouldn't have gone to the cylinder, but had to make sure, so I took the water cover off. Will have to make a new gasket for it now though.

 

[naturelover]

Re: 5HP Twin Gale information?

Hope that doesn't hurt anything. It looks like it was seeping some water, but it is just part of the water jacket around the cylinder. Not sure how it would have gotten there.

Should I drill a small hole at the end of the crack to stop it from spreading? Was thinking of doing that and sealing it up with some JB Weld...

After that, I moved on to the troublesome bolt...



First was putting two nuts on it and trying to back it off. Then tried heating it and doing the same, but the nuts wouldn't hold.

Tried the vice grips, and it finally broke off. I drilled it out and re-tapped it. Ran the tap through the rest of the powerhead mounting holes to clean them out.

Called it a night after that....

Will say that the piston looked almost new on the lower cylinder looking through the exhaust port. I couldn't run a comp test on that one due to the lower cover being so tall. I get these minor things fixed, I think she'll be a keeper and run for many more years to come..