7 motors all 'stuck' after short time sitting?

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I have 7 outboards which I run during the year, all are freshwater only motors of various ages.
I put them up for the winter in the garage on a stand. Even my 70hp Evinrude gets pulled and put away and the boats go into hibernation. Each motor gets lubed and stored till warm weather. I happened to have to move one of my smaller motors over the week end to get to something on the wall above it. For what ever reason I gave the rope a tug and it wouldn't move. Not even an inch. The motor was a rarely used 1995 Sears Gamefisher 15hp, the motor ran fine in mid Dec, I put it up after an annual compression test and a huge shot of 30w oil in each plug hole.
After draining the cylinders, and filling each one with PB Blaster for an hour, it broke free and turned fine. I then hooked up a tank and fired it up, all seems fine. I re oiled it and put it back on the stand.
Figuring I'd better check the others, and every one was the same way. Stuck, wouldn't budge.
Other than the 70hp, which came free the same way, they are all small twin cylinder motors, both OMC, Sears, and Mercury. My 25hp Johnson did the same thing, stuck solid, but only a few shots of PB Blaster got it turning over, all but one freed right up, but one 4hp is locked up tight. I don't get it? They all are in minty shape, none have very many hours and their in a warm garage. Nothing external is rusted. I pulled the 4hp apart and its rusted solid inside, everywhere but where the oil charge I shot into it in the fall laid at the bottom. When I winterize, I use fogging fluid from the marina, I crank the motor around a bit get the stuff all worked in and give it a final shot before reinstalling the plugs.
It didn't work this year? I've never had a problem before. This fall and winter though has been especially wet, and not so much cold, just rainy. The humidity is high and its always damp. I talked to my neighbor, he has three motors, all of his seized up too, none will budge, two are old air cooled motors, one a near new Mercury 15hp 4 stroke, all locked up tight, the Mercury was winterized at the dealer and never yet been on the water. He keeps his motor in a garage about 400' away from mine.
What on earth would cause a well lubed motor to corrode or rust up like that? The cylinder on the 4hp is pitted so bad its scaly looking. That motor was last run Thanksgiving weekend last fall. It was fogged and put up on the motor stand.
What on earth would cause this? I'm 50 miles from saltwater, there in no salt air effect here. Things in the garage like hand tools and other parts don't rust, so I don't understand why the inside of a good motor would.

If it were one motor, I'd say maybe it had a water intrusion problem but not all of them, and none have ever given any problems on the water. Besides, I'd expect a motor should be able to sit unused for a few months without having to be fogged every time, yet I take the extra precautions just to be safe and they all have an issue this year. Some were fogged with regular fogging oil in an aerosol can, others done with just 30w oil. It didn't seem to make a difference.
I've had old parts motors hanging outside behind the garage that have been there for 20 years and none are seized up from sitting, some even are missing cylinder heads and they don't lock up like this.
 

PS94

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Re: 7 motors all 'stuck' after short time sitting?

High humidity when you stored the motors, causing condensation? Your tools won't rust as they're exposed to the ambient air, and not trapping what's in em...Try leaving the plugs out maybe? I've never heard of this, or had it happen...and I ususally just shut my toys off when it's time to store em and disconnect the battery...
 

Chinewalker

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Re: 7 motors all 'stuck' after short time sitting?

Do you fog the motors or just squirt some oil in and turn them over? Fogging them - oiling them up while they're running - does a MUCH better job of it. Not sure where you're located, but my winter in Northern NY has been more variable than usual. The more temp changes, the more chance for condensation on exposed metal surfaces...
 

Silvertip

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Re: 7 motors all 'stuck' after short time sitting?

I agree that simply squirting oil into a cylinder does not completely protect a two stroke. You need to fog them while running to get the crank and bearings and lower cylinder walls lubed as well. Back in the good old days, folks that began using synthetic oil in their two stroke snowmobiles learned quickly about the lack of anti-rust qualities of the then relatively new synthetic oil. I visited a shop one day and in a discussion about protection, the guy pulled a crankshaft out from under the counter and you could hardly recognize it as a crankshaft. Solid rust from one season of storage without protection. Treat the fuel, run the engine long enough to get the mixture into the fuel system, then fog the engine and put it to bed.
 

tomhath

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Re: 7 motors all 'stuck' after short time sitting?

When you last ran them did you just shut them off, cut the fuel and let them run out, or choke them off?

Cutting the fuel and running them out pretty much ensures the cylinder is dry - running lean means very hot.

I prefer to choke them so they get an extra bit of fuel inside and shut off at as low a temperature as possible.
 

F_R

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Re: 7 motors all 'stuck' after short time sitting?

There is something terribly missing from this story. For that many motor s to rust up since November or December is unheard of, even if they were merely shut off and put away wet. They would last longer than that, even in The Great Dismal Swamp.
 

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Re: 7 motors all 'stuck' after short time sitting?

By any chance, were the motors turned upside down? Never raise the lower unit above powerhead level, as gravity will make water run into the exhaust ports.

Nah, you wouldn't do that, at least not to 7 motors----would you?
 

road kill

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Re: 7 motors all 'stuck' after short time sitting?

All of the motors were ran, drained, and winterized, several by the dealer before I took them off the boat.
The motors I fogged were done by fogging both through the carb and plug hole.
I pulled the head off two of them which wouldn't budge, one was obviously rusted, the other was clean, with the piston all the way down in the bore. I let it sit cylinders up full of Kroil and it broke free after a day and a half of soaking. I can't see any damage or pitting anywhere. Now the kicker, I put the head back on, fired it up in a tank, made sure all was well and it ran perfect. I then let it drain and dry, fogged the thing by basically stalling it with fogging spray, then shot the plug hole as well. That was on Thursday, tonight, I gave it a tug and its stuck again. I pulled the head again, the rings are stuck to the cylinder wall, there's a dark line where they sat overnight and started to rust, the cylinder was thick with clear fogging oil, almost like cosmoline on a new part, yet the rings rusted still. Moving the piston up and down left brown streaks from where rust was dragged along the wet cylinder. Same goes for two others. The three cylinder is fine, the two Chrysler/Sears motors are fine, but the rarely used, minty 1992 3hp and my older 4hp a both shot. My 15hp 4stroke Mercury, which didn't get winterized since it gets used all winter is fine, its sitting outdoors still on the boat.
The 4hp cylinder looks like its been at the bottom of the ocean, pitted, scaly, and froze up solid. The cylinder is rusted, the crank is rusted, and the rod is rusted up. Its never seen salt, its never been sunk, it ran fine in Nov, and probably 4 times last season.
I'm in NJ, no where near saltwater, I'm a good 50 miles from the saltwater and have never had a flood here. The garage where I keep them is semi heated, it gets residual heat from the house and I have a dehumidifier running at all times.

Its never any more humid than it is outside, there's no plumbing or water in the garage, and the garage door don't get opened in the winter, there hasn't been a car in the garage in 20 years.

Something is causing rust. I used various brands of fogging fluid and oil on different motors, so its nothing added. What I noticed today is that the dark colored motors sweat real bad as the sun comes up and the weather warms a bit. Nothing else in the garage is sweating, just the outboards, and mainly just those that aren't painted white. Even so, some people leave their boats in the water all season long, often sitting unused for longer periods than mine do in my garage.
The motors have never been upside down, never even put away wet. They were ran, let cool and winterized for the most part. Most are 3hp to 40hp motors with only one 70hp Evinrude. I also found one of my chainsaws in the garage locked up tight, that ran last back in November. It was shut off, tank dumped out, and put back in its case and on a shelf. It was stuck to the point I needed to oil the cylinder and break it loose with a wrench.
If humidity was an issue then the outside bolts and exposed metal would show rust or corrosion but it don't. On my 20 and 25hp motors though both tiller shafts rusted up bad and froze. Those weren't used last year at all but were oiled up and put on the stand.
(I have a super long outboard rack along the middle wall of the garage, I can hang about 20 motors on it. I've done so for 30 years. This is the first year there's been a problem, and nothing at all has changed. Other than I made sure to winterize every one of them which I never seemed to get around to in the past.
 

tomhath

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Re: 7 motors all 'stuck' after short time sitting?

Something is dumping moisture into air in the garage. Plumbing vent, dryer vent, roof vent, humidifier or unvented heater in the house...something changed this year. House air tends to be high in humidity, it has to condense out when it gets into the cooler garage.
 

jimbo_jwc

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Re: 7 motors all 'stuck' after short time sitting?

Where are you buying your gas and 2stroke oil from and what brands ?
 

dingbat

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Re: 7 motors all 'stuck' after short time sitting?

Something is dumping moisture into air in the garage. Plumbing vent, dryer vent, roof vent, humidifier or unvented heater in the house...something changed this year. House air tends to be high in humidity, it has to condense out when it gets into the cooler garage.
I don't buy the humidity theory. We average 70-90% humidity year round and our temps bounce up and down like a yo-yo. It was 60 with 80% humidity yesterday and the side of the boat was dripping wet with condensation from the cold air trapped in the bilge. This morning it is 33 degrees with 87% humidity. If condensation was going to be an issue, it would be very prevalent around here and it’s not.

I’m typically only down 3 months out of the year so I don’t bother fogging. I have never had a rust problem, let alone enough to seize the motor.
 
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Re: 7 motors all 'stuck' after short time sitting?

something realy odd going on in the shed if only the parts that are oiled are being affected. i can not think of a gas thats capable of reacting with oil but it is a possible cause. maybe the shed is built over a land fill or something odd and the lack of air flow is allowing a gas (methane or ??????) to build up and affect the oil
 

Chris1956

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Re: 7 motors all 'stuck' after short time sitting?

That is a horrible story. I live in NJ as well, but right on a saltwater bay, and have never had any of those issues. I fog my motors and leave them on the boats, outside in the salt air.
 

jimbo_jwc

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Re: 7 motors all 'stuck' after short time sitting?

Overcharge a battery or have one that current does not go down and cell shorts .Acid fumes ,battery charger burns up ,tools rust and funny taste in mouth when comming in barn .
 

nwcove

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Re: 7 motors all 'stuck' after short time sitting?

any swimming pool products stored uncovered in the garage? chlorine pucks/javex or similiar? i use alot of hypochlorite ( javex) at work, and if you leave a tool of any sort in one of the areas near that stuff.....it will rust overnight to the point of seizing up pipe wrenches.
 

boobie

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Re: 7 motors all 'stuck' after short time sitting?

Good point Nwcove. Maybe he should just get them all running, fog them and take everything outside, leave them and see what happens.
 

Mohawkmtrs

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Re: 7 motors all 'stuck' after short time sitting?

Crack a window open or put a fan in the garage for airflow.
 

coolbri70

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Re: 7 motors all 'stuck' after short time sitting?

Gremlins:facepalm: electrical or chemical or both, maybe better off in the weather till you find out whats going on in that garage
 

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Re: 7 motors all 'stuck' after short time sitting?

A few years ago I stopped at a roadside yard sale because I saw something nautical at the curb. I asked the guy if he had any OB motors and he said sure he had a bunch. I ended up buying a 1940 vintage Evinrude for $1 that was laying in the tall weeds alongside his barn. He had a dozen or so motors out there and he said they had been there for 10 years or more. Mind you this is a Northern climate so the motor had 10 years of rain, snow, sleet and ice. I only bought it for the lower unit.

Anyway, after I took off what I wanted I found that it turned over, and even had good compression. I pulled the head and internally it had no rust at all. It was quite oily internally, very common for motors that were run 16:1 or 24:1 rich oil mixes back in the day.

So, short story long, I often wonder if fogging is really that necessary with a 2-stroke since its quite oilly internally just from running. That leads to the question....what type of 2-stroke oil are you using and at what blend?
 

Chris1956

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Re: 7 motors all 'stuck' after short time sitting?

Jim, We never fogged motors back in the 60s and 70s. Fogging oil had not been invented, or at least wasn't advertized widely. the same can be said about fuel stabiizer. Never had an issues. I use fogging oil and fuel stabilizer now, but only because it is real easy to use and pretty cheap. I still don't know if it is warrented. The boats only sit idle from Nov to about April.
 
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