72 Johnson 50 electric shift jumping out of forward gear

duckynme

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Above about 1000 RPM's, my 50 hp 72 electric shift jumps in and out of gear running forward. This is a consistent jumping, like every three seconds. Lower speeds is still consistent, like every 10 seconds. More throttle I give, the faster the jumping in and out. Have not tried in reverse because you can't get those kind of RPM's in reverse. Anyone ever experience this?

I have a full understanding of how the shift solenoids work, so it seems to me that the switch in the control box may be the culprit, allowing the neutral solenoid to energize? Or does my '72 50 hp have diodes that could be going bad?
 
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Re: 72 Johnson 50 electric shift jumping out of forward gear

I have a 72 Johnson 50 electric shift and it is always in forward and won't shift to any other gear. My switch control in the box is cracked. Any ideas where I can get that little switch?
 

freddyray21

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Re: 72 Johnson 50 electric shift jumping out of forward gear

it's easy enough to find out if it's the switch. No power to either wire will give you forward so if you unhook the shift wires going down to the lu and it is the switch causing your problem then the jumping should quit. Be careful as it will start then in forward so be headed in the right direction when you want to start it. It can also be time for a lower unit lube change. Use type C oil in it. The switch boxes are hard to find and most guys are working out there own wiring and switches. There are threads on here.
 

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Re: 72 Johnson 50 electric shift jumping out of forward gear

I have a 72 Johnson 50 electric shift and it is always in forward and won't shift to any other gear. My switch control in the box is cracked. Any ideas where I can get that little switch?

Beck's Outboard in Jacksonville, Florida should have the switch. They have had everything I have needed so far for my 71 50. Just google Becks Outboard Jacksonville and give then a call.

I have checked EVERYTHING electrical from my control box to the motor and the solenoids. Checked and reset the timing while in the river, so I have narrowed me problem down to the carb floats probably out of adjustment. I cleaned both carbs meticulously and re-installed them to no avail, so I have ordered two frresh carb rebuild kits, with floats. I will post after the rebuild of the carbs to let all know the outcome.
 

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Re: 72 Johnson 50 electric shift jumping out of forward gear

carbs will have nothing to do with it jumping in and out of gear. It's most likely in the lower unit if the switches are good.
 

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Re: 72 Johnson 50 electric shift jumping out of forward gear

OK, I totally rebuilt the carbs with new kits and the problem still exists. I will have the prop checked, although I don't think that is the problem, but there may be some problem in the lower unit, as the last reply stated. I checked with two different Johnson experts, who have been working on them for the past 30 and 35 years, respectively, and they say they have never heard of that type of problem before. AAARRRRRGGGGG!!!! Prop will be checked this week.
 

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Re: 72 Johnson 50 electric shift jumping out of forward gear

Your problem sounds like a clutch dog problem, rather than something to do with the hydro-electric shift problem. If the situation has gotten worse over time, and sound the like the motor is slamming in andout of gear, I wiuld guess that's what it is.
 

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Re: 72 Johnson 50 electric shift jumping out of forward gear

As "Frddy" states, that lower unit demands "Type C" gearlube, also known as "Premium BLend". If you're using HiVis, drain it out of that lower unit! If you're already using the proper gearlube........

Disconnect the shift wires at the powerhead that lead to the lower unit. This causes the spring loaded shifter dog to engage forward gear. Be aware that the engine will no start in forward gear and stay engaged!

If the lowwer unit still jumps out and back into gear (which is what's happening), read on.

(Jumping Out Of Gear - Manual Type)
(J. Reeves)

This pertains to lower units on all OMC manual shift outboard engines, or any OMC engine with lower units defined as a Shift Assist or a Hydro Electric Shift unit which incorporates a "Shifter Clutch Dog".

Within the lower unit, splined to the prop shaft is what is most often referred to as a clutch dog, hereafter simply called dog. The dog has at least two lobes protruding from it on both ends, facing both forward and reverse gear. The forward and reverse gears also have lobes built into them near their center area. When the engine is running, in neutral, the gears are spinning constantly via the driveshaft being connected directly to the powerhead crankshaft, but the propeller does not turn due to the fact that the dog is centered between the two gears, and the dog lobes are not touching either of the gear lobes.

When the unit is put into either gear, shift linkages force the dog (and its lobes of course) to engage the lobes of the gear. The lobes of the spinning gear grab the lobes of the dog, and since the dog is splined to the prop shaft, the propeller turns.

The lobes of the dog and gears are precisely machined, most with right angled edges that could be installed in either direction, and some with angles slightly varied that must be installed in one direction only (one end only must face the propeller). Dogs that can be installed in one direction only, if reversed, even if the dog and both gears were new.... would jump out of gear almost immediately. Keep in mind that the lobes are precisely machined with sharp angles!

Due to improper adjustment or worn shift linkages, but usually due to improper slow shifting, those precisely machined sharp edges of the lobes become slightly rounded. Now, with those lobes rounded, as the rpms increase, the pressure of the gear lobes upon the dog lobes increases to a point whereas they are forced apart (jumping out of gear), and due (usually) to the shift cable keeping tension on the engines shift linkages..... the unit is forced back into gear giving one the sensation that the engine has hit something, and the cycle continues.

Some boaters with manual shift engines have the mistaken belief that shifting slowly is taking it easy on all of the shifting components..... Wrong! Shifting slowly allows those precisely machined sharp edges of the dog and gears to click, clank, bang, slam against each other many times before they are finally forced into alignment with each other..... and this is what rounds those edges off! The proper way to shift is to snap the unit into gear as quickly as possible.
 
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